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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:47 am ] |
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The Iran deal has been called a 100 billion dollar check to fund terrorism. Possibly also as a 1 billion dollar deal to a second country that actively supports terrorism. With hidden concessions to every country involved in the negotiations including sellouts to China and Russia to prevent their use of UN veto powers. Contact your Senators and Reps to let them know that this bad deal should be rejected by our Congress. 
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Democrats Funding Terrorism ? |
Netanyahu called it a “historic mistake.” Skepticism about the deal springs not only from the sense that the U.S. was willing to give up more than the Iranians (even though it’s their economy that needs help), but also from the lack of any gestures of good will from Iran. They still hold at least three Americans hostage; they still march through the streets shouting Death to America; they still support terrorist groups in the Middle East. Just six days ago Iran extended a $1 billion line of credit to Syria – a good clue as to where the $100 billion they will receive from sanctions relief might go. Skepticism also arises from the self-congratulations offered up by Iran’s President Rouhani, who said that the deal satisfied all of Tehran’s objectives: termination of all sanctions (including arms and proliferation sanctions) as soon as the agreement goes into effect, continued nuclear research and development on advanced systems, and ongoing operation of its main enrichment plants. |
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| Author: | dguidry [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Democrats Funding Terrorism ? |
Sanctions no longer have the effect they once had. Kerry said it best: "what do we do instead of this agreement, bomb them, go to war immediately?" Now we can demand confirmation that Iran is not manufacturing nuclear weapons. It's more than we had before. Claiming that lifting sanctions will directly mean more funding for terrorism is a stretch. Iran will send aid to whomever they want in spite of sanctions. Negotiations are all about little steps and this agreement is a step in the right direction. It will be used as fodder for Republican criticism. Pres Reagan took an even bigger step when he went to China and renegaded the U.S. - China trade. |
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| Author: | rangerp [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:24 am ] |
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Dguidry asked "what do we do instead of this agreement, bomb them, go to war immediately?" Works for me. |
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| Author: | rangerp [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Democrats Funding Terrorism ? |
Seven reason why this deal is bad 1) A Final Deal is Not Guaranteed. The final deal is supposed to happen by July 1st, but negotiations could still stall. The addition of Congressional oversight and the Iranian insistence on lifting sanctions before signing could also affect the final talks. 2) Both Parties Interpret the Framework Differently. When the White House published a “fact sheet” on the framework, Iran immediately argued against the American “facts.” A deal built on completely different understandings of the agreement has the potential for serious fall-out in the future. 3) The Framework Does Not Include Measures for Enforcement. Michael Chertoff, the former Secretary of Homeland Security, wrote that the current framework includes steps that Iran must take, but there are no consequences if the country fails to fully comply. The framework only mentions a “dispute-resolution mechanism,” without details on who would finalize a resolution or decide the ramifications. 4) A Final Deal Will Not Prevent a Nuclear Bomb. President Obama has admitted that a deal will only delay, instead of stop, the development of a nuclear weapon by Iran. 5) Iran Benefits from Lifted Sanctions without Complying. The removal of international sanctions will put Iranian oil back on the market, and countries like Russia are already prepared to strike a bargain for it. The U.S. is feeling the effect of an oversupply in the oil market and Iran’s reserves could exasperate that problem. Iran would benefit, while potentially failing to comply with the stipulations of the deal. 6) The Balance of Power Will Tip in a Chaotic Middle East. Saudi Arabia, the dominating force in the Middle East, has prioritized preventing the rise of Iran, especially with nuclear capacities. A deal will put Iran back on the map as a serious local power. As situations in countries like Yemen, Libya and Syria deteriorate, Saudi Arabia and Iran can use them as proxy war locations. Now, Iran has the potential for bigger allies and a stronger arsenal, increasing the risk of human casualties and potentially leading to a major regional conflict. 7) The Framework Leaves Out Human Rights. The current framework does not touch on the serious human rights issues in Iran. Civil activists in Iran believe that a deal will have no impact on the state of human rights there. Activist Nasrin Sotoudeh told Al-Monitor: http://www.ijreview.com/2015/04/299293- ... framework/ |
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| Author: | Terraboat [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Democrats Funding Terrorism ? |
Now this shit matters, forget about all the packer stuff. This basically says at least we will be a little safer for ten years at a cost of a fully armed Iran. Hey, but Obewan gets to say it did something he was bragging about being so skilled at. Maybe he will read it this time. Meanwhile, you got 10 years to load up on ammo, guns, and anti missles systems. |
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| Author: | rangerp [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:17 am ] |
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http://pamelageller.com/2015/07/obamas- ... lies.html/ not going to work out well for us or Israel in the end |
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| Author: | dguidry [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Democrats Funding Terrorism ? |
Look, if we lift sanctions on Iran, they'll become very beholden to the free world for their fortune, and I mean "fortune". You see, people tend to become more complacent when their bellies are full and they can buy stuff. In Iran's case, they will become less inclined to chant "death to america" and instead more inclined to ask for another Mocca Frappe.Ahh! The power of the mighty dollar. |
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| Author: | Russ [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:20 pm ] |
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Delusion and ignorance really must be bliss....... |
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| Author: | Russ [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:23 pm ] |
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| Author: | rangerp [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:32 pm ] |
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| Author: | JD145 [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:11 pm ] |
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[quote="dguidry"]Look, if we lift sanctions on Iran, they'll become very beholden to the free world for their fortune, and I mean "fortune". You see, people tend to become more complacent when their bellies are full and they can buy stuff. In Iran's case, they will become less inclined to chant "death to america" and instead more inclined to ask for another Mocca Frappe.Ahh! The power of the mighty dollar.[/quot] Wow.......this is why we are fucked as a country. Do you think Thats funny? You cant even acknowledge the truth when it comes to Iran and the safety of the free world? I cant believe some of us still waste time responding to what this ambulance chasing dirtbag posts. Truly ignorant to say iran will forget that their number one goal is our demise |
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| Author: | JD145 [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:17 pm ] |
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| Author: | BlackRiverJosh [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:58 pm ] |
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Brarack Hussein Obama is looking for a legacy. I'm afraid he may have found his legacy. |
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| Author: | jc [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:18 pm ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:24 pm ] |
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| Author: | TooTall [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:58 pm ] |
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Even outside of the threat to national security the deal is in no way good. The oil market is already the most volatile it has been in decades. With the dropping of sanctions it will just flood the market with Iranian oil and drop prices of barrels to those never seen before. This hits me personally, almost all of my family works in the oil industry and they are just now starting to get hired back from the last drop in barrel prices and they're about to get let go again. And the fact that we are basically funding terrorism is a bad part of the deal too. Personally I think we should've just turned them into a parking lot in 2001.. But that's another discussion! |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:11 am ] |
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| Author: | BlackRiverJosh [ Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:04 am ] |
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Our country's foreign policy makes no sense nor has any logic. Years from now, historians will paint the picture of Barack Hussein Obama. It will illustrate what a bad president we elected. It will cover race relations and their downfall, economic free fall, foreign policy blunders, huge amounts of government debt, unemployment, government corruption at the highest level, lies, and who knows what else. The numbers don't lie. He will be recorded in US history as the worst president the country has ever elected. The facts are there. They are undeniable. |
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| Author: | msm8281 [ Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:37 am ] |
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The facts are there but if liberals keep being elected, the future generations will never know the truth. They will keep brainwashing the kids and feeding them all this PC crap and it will not matter what he did. All the future history books will do is point out that he was the first African American President in the USA. |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Democrats Funding Terrorism ? |
Saudis - preparing for ground war in response to Iran deal. The Saudis have signaled their intent to employ ground forces in Yemen previously, but have not done so. But the potential military initiatives, coupled with signs that the Saudis are cultivating better diplomatic ties with Russia and China, would be a strong indication of how the Iran nuclear deal could impact the regional order in the Middle East. |
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| Author: | dguidry [ Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:06 am ] |
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| Author: | danimalw [ Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:40 am ] |
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Wasn't the last time there was real peace in the middle east about 6000 years ago?? Anyone who thinks peacecan be achieved quickly is mistaken... And that's even if peace is even attainable . |
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| Author: | rangerp [ Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:42 am ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:03 pm ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:33 pm ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:29 am ] |
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A further step toward hurting Israel's security.... Pentagon chief Carter not offering new arms deal to Israel In the face of Israeli outrage over the Iran nuclear accord, officials say Washington has no plans to offer new weaponry as compensation for the Iran deal. Israel also has expressed concern that U.S. sales of advanced weaponry to Gulf Arab states has the potential of offsetting, to some degree, Israel's qualitative military edge. Obama has indicated he is open to new ways of improving Israeli security, but he has played down the idea that ending economic penalties on Iran will drastically alter the balance of power in the region. "Do we think that with the sanctions coming down, that Iran will have some additional resources for its military and for some of the activities in the region that are a threat to us and a threat to our allies? I think that is a likelihood," Obama told a White House news conference on Wednesday. Obama's principal military adviser, Gen. Martin Dempsey said he understands why Israelis believe a nuclear deal will give Iran room to accelerate its funding of surrogate Shiite groups like Hezbollah. "I share their concern," Dempsey said. |
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