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Two females are going to graduate.

Here is what the Generals and the media will not tell you.

It was not 19 that were tested, it was 113. The army took 113 females that were specially selected from acorss the entire Army, with the goal of sending the top 80 to Ranger School. They could not get 80, and tried for 40. When 40 would not work, they settled for 19.

Ninteen attended, and in the end of the first two weeks, not one was left in the course.

After multiple recycles, two will now be declared as graduates.

had the Army sent 113 males instead of those females through the Pre Ranger at Fort Benning we would be looking at around 60 new Ranger qualified soldiers. Instead, the American tax payer literally spent millions on two grads.

Not one general will do the math, and let the American people know that the little experiment failed. They will declare it a giant victory, and withold the critical thinking and logic.

basically, if you want a platoon of male rangers, send 80 to Ranger School, and you will get your 40 man platoon of ranger qualified soldiers.

If you want a platoon of female rangers, send 2260 to ranger school, pay money to send them on special duty orders to Fort Benning months prior to Pre-ranger, for extra training, bring in female observers, and then you may get your 40 femal rangers. Oh yea, with dudes, you can just get them from combat arms. With the females you have to get elite college athletes, and not one will still make it on the first time through.

Not one female made it through the Marine Infantry Officers course. That tells me that Marines are either togher than Army Rangers, or they did not drop the standard to appease the political correct crowd.

I will bet in the future, they will declare the experiment a giant success, and start sending females. They will then declare that the course needs to change, so they get a 50% pass rate for those females. It is just how it works.

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Congratulations. Here is your certificate of attendance girls.........I feel safer already, how about yall?

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Ranger- I fully suspect that there is some massaging of the facts by the PC crowd. I would like to read the real deal about it of you have a link.


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this is good news, now rangers have someone onboard to make sandwiches! oorah

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Make all female units if women must be in combat.

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I won't Obama and Clinton's daughters to register for the draft fare is fare.

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This is a good thing for our military. The Amazon warriors will be feared.

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I think it was a waste of money

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They aren't amazons. They're American soldiers. And the fact it took them far more recycles than a man is allowed before he's sent back to his unit means they weren't prepared, and received concessions simply because they were women. A 11% pass rate does not mean it was a success. And it also does not mean the experiment should continue for the good of the force. An 11% pass rate means the standards are too difficult. By army standards, the experiment failed because of the unacceptable pass rate. They passed. Proud for em. Acceptance of the waste of money it has proven to be is not on my list of being ok. It's another example of money being wasted on something for political correctness instead of going towards equipment the soldiers need. We can't even get our yearly allowance for uniforms and other clothing for cold weather because there isn't enough to go around. Or ammunition for training. But let's dump money into a pot for an experiment to appease the EO crowd for an 11% pass rate, and then call it a success. Fuck that. You still haven't answered how much more the logistics of supporting those female ranger troops in a combat environment costs. Live in that environment for a couple months then say the cost won't increase. Combat effectiveness will be reduced. Period. It's unavoidable. To say different means you've never had to worry about the logistics planning and execution for that environment.


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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't men only allowed 1 recycle and they have to wait a full year before doing so? By the way I totally agree with Russ on this 1

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It was politics from the word Go.

WHen a ranger student recycles a phase, they jump in with the next class behind them. I have never seen a student get multiple recycles at the same phase before.

Once again, do the math. If you want a platoon of male rangers (40 men), send 85 qualified men (not college athletes) to Pre Ranger and Ranger school, and 12 or so weeks later you will have your 40 Rangers.

If you want a platoon of female rangers, send 2226 highly selected females from across the Army, give them months of additional training, send them to pre ranger, then to Ranger, and if you happen to find 40 college elite athletes and are willing to give them months extra and multiple recycles, you may make a platoon of female rangers.

This experiment showed sending women to ranger school to be a failure. Two of 113 making it is not a success, especially when you consider the cost to the American tax payer.

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Here is another way to look at it.

The Army was forced by civilians (who never served in the military) to conduct an experiment to see if women are suitable to send to US Army Ranger School, and to see if they can perform in combat units.

Stop just focusing on two individuals, and look at the entire experiment. What does this experiment tell us if we apply critical thinking?

BOTTOM LINE UP FRONT - The Experiment shows females to have a 98% failure rate.

Over 2000 females applied to go. Of the 2000, the top 113 were specially selected. These 113 were sent to Fort Benning well ahead of pre-ranger, and received additional training and preparation that males do not get. Only 19 of the specially selected 113 were able to pass the ranger standards.

Of the 19 that did attend Ranger School, not one passed the first phase.

Two of 113 with multiple recycles, spent 120 days in a 61 day school and are now declared graduates.

If you hand selected the best 113 men from the entire force and gave them special training, you will have closer to a 75% pass rate. With no extra training, regular males who are not college athletes still have a 50% pass rate.

The experiment was successful, it showed us that females are not suitable for combat arms, special ops training, or Ranger School.

Here is where it gets interesting. Everything above is the truth. If one of our Generals stood up and stated those truths he would end his career that day. The current administration is not looking for truth. Truth will be denied, and reality will be ignored.

If we ignore the facts above, if we ignore the experiment, and declare it a success for women, and if we believe they are now equal to men, I have some questions to ask.

If women are now equal, how about declaring all women equal and holding them to the same Physical Fitness standards as men? If you go that route, over 70% of our Army's females will be separated for being substandard. How do you think females in congress will like that?

If females are equal to men then how about the problem with sexual assaults against females? For the sexual assault problem in our military, how about telling women who might be assaulted sexually to "ranger up and kick that man's ass, you are now his equal? How do you think that will go over?

When you really look at this, liberals are wanting to tell us that women are equal, but need special treatment.

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With direct knowledge above, rangerp speaks the truth on regards to the data points mentioned above. No one in the Community has ever doubted a woman could not pass Ranger school. The two female officers who passed were physical studettes recruited/ hand picked to attempt Ranger school. A former BDE CDR of mine attempted to recruit a female with body building background to attend because he wanted to have sent one of the first females to Ranger school on his resume. She could never pass the five mile run consistently and thus never attempted. This went on in the Army and is going on now. These two females are probably two of possibly ten to twenty females who may be able to successfully complete Ranger school now and the near future. The question has and will be is this worth the return on the investment? Is this increasing or decreasing the lethality of our combat arms formations?


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Some of the same arguments expressed here were used to argue against using blacks in the military. As time goes by we will all realize the fallacy on these arguments against women rangers.

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And Dean trumps the sexist liberal card with the dreaded liberal race card.


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RangerP: in a major conflagruation we will all be grateful to have every able bodied male and female fight for us. Gender will not matter.

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Keep ignoring the facts. The fact that you are so accepting of actual failure when numbers are right in front of you is another example of who you are.


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Dean - questions for you.

Are women equal to men on the battle field in ground combat?

If so, should we hold all females to the male standard on the Physical Fitness Test? If not, why?

Should women have to register for the draft?

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BTW, RangerP I'll be acquiring the cypress planks shortly for your pirogue. Almost done with current one and will start on yours soon. When it's done maybe you will have time to make a trip here to pick it up before duck season ends so you can hunt with us.

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Take the elite men crossfit competitors and elite women crossfit competitors and compare them. It's physically impossible for the women to get to the level of the men. Physically impossible.


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Dean Guidry stated - "In answer to the first two questions, women overall are not currently equal but they eventually will be given enough oppotunity and time."


I am perplexed at that answer.

Perhaps you know something I do not. Is there a plan to genetically modify women currently serving in the Army? Are we going to sew balls on them, inject them with testosteron and steroids, or are we waiting for them to evolve into men?


Women currently serving in our Army are no better physically then women serving 30 years ago. Given time and opportunity, women will not get any better. As a matter of fact, the overall standards for the entire army on the Physical Fitness test are easier than they were 28 years ago when I came in. Back then I had to do 82 push ups, 92 sit ups, and run 2 miles in 11:54 to max. The standard for 18-22 years olds (men and women) are now much easier. Our curent army is fatter than 28 years ago. We are not getting better. Mentally we seem to be getting a whole lot dumber.

Russ and others asked about lowering the standards - that is exaclty what will happen.

The army did the experiment, and it showed a 98% failure rate. They picked the best out of over 2000 that applied to attend Ranger, so in reality the success rate could be considered less than 1/10 of one percent. If the Army already tested the best 113, and only two made it, what makes anyone believe the next 113 will do any better, or even as good?

If the Army now fails to look at the experment as a whole and if women are allowed to attend ranger school on a regular basis, do you think the powers to be will allow less than a 2% pass rate? You can bet your sweet ass, the femals in our congress will be on that like a hobo on a ham sandwich.

I am watching this story play on in the media, and I have to ask the question "am I the only American left who is able to do math?" Lots of interviews of the two women that passed, who is going to interview the 111 that failed? Who is going to interview the men in the squads of those that failed? WHo is going to interview men that had to pull extra weigh because the females in school with them could not cut the mustard?

Political Correctness has destroyed our nation's ability to apply logic and fact.

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Why did they start with ranger school instead of infantry school? And then take a platoon of men and a platoon of women, send them to the box at jrtc for a month, then the box at ntc for a month, like an infantry company would do. It would've been a cheaper experiment, and starting at the most basic level instead of an advanced training course. Seems like putting them into ranger school is skipping what would normally be a requirement for any male soldier. So again, special concessions.....


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