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Is Same Sex Marriage Constitutional? We are seeing Christians now thrown in jail for not believing it is constitutional or moral. A judge has stated that this Clerk will sit in jail until she changes her religious beliefs, and views marriage the same way Obama now views it.

In 2008, Then Senator Obama stated “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. For me, as a Christian, it’s also a sacred union. God’s in the mix”

Keep in mind, Obama was not only a Senator, he was a prior President of the Harvard Law Review. When that statement was made, why did the media, or constitutional lawyers not stand up and correct Obama, and let him know that Same Sex Marriage is constitutional?

I wonder if we can find antother law expert to weigh in on this. Oh wait, I think I have one.


In 2009, Justice Elena Kagan was questioned before Congress concerning same-sex marriage, and she emphatically stated “There is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage.”



At the time Kagan made that statement, she was the Dean of Harvard Law, and congress was questioning her as part of her congressional hearing to be a Supreme Court Justice. Can we make the assumption that both her and Obama know the constitution? Why then, when these statements were made, did Constitutional experts not set them straight? WHy was there not so much as a peep from Rachel Maddow, Chris Mathews, Anerson Cooper, Ellen Degeneres..... Explaining that same sex marriage is constituional? Why did not one congressman or woman correct Kagan if same sex marriage was actually constitutional?

I have to ask - what has changes since those statements were made? The Constitution has not changed, Congress has not passed a federal marriage act, and the state of Kentucky did not pass a state marriage act mandating same-sex marriage. Congress makes laws, not the Supreme Court.

What exact law has this Clerk violated? There is no law mandating a federal acceptance of same sex marriage.

If at the same time Kagan was asked about constitutional same-sex marriage, had she been asked if County Clerks in states who have not passed same-sex marriage laws, should be put in jail for not signing same-sex marriage licenses, what would her answer have been?

If in a short six year period, we have gone from a Supreme Court Justice stating there is no right to a constitutional same-sex marriage, to judges jailing those who will not sign same-sex marriage licenses. How long before Christian preachers are jailed for not performing same-sex weddings? How long before they are arrested for preaching that marriage is a “sacred union” (like Obama stated in 2008)? How long before Christian Schools are shut down for teaching Biblical marriage between a man and a woman? How long before parents are arrested for teaching their children that marriage in the eyes of God is “sacred” and between a man and a woman?

In May of 2015, Justice Ginsburg presided over a same-sex wedding. If Justice Scalia or Thomas refuse to preside over same-sex weddings, can they be arrested?

We have crossed a line. We are seeing our government ignore the Constitution. The Supreme Court is making up laws, and now Christians are being jailed for their religious beliefs. It has come time for Christians to get active be prepared to choose between jail or abandoning your faith.

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The problem is we didn't use to care if we offended gay people. Now it has become to the point where if you even mention the word homosexual it is frowned upon. That is the reason that everyone has the power to stop it has let the supreme court slide on this. They do not make laws, if they say that a ban on same sex marriage is unconstitutional they have no right to make a law saying everyone has to accept it and give marriage licenses. They had no right to jail her, as a clerk she is sworn to uphold the constitution and there is a federal law stating that same sex marriage is not to be upheld in the eyes of the federal government and it was overwhelmingly passed in congress and signed into act by a democratic president whose wife is for same sex marriage all of a sudden. Also in the law it is clearly stated that any acts, judicial or congressional, to repeal or nullify it should be considered hostile to the preservation of marriage in the united states. The DOMA clearly stated marriage as one man and one woman, the court can not decide to just change the entire definition of marriage now. It could repeal a ban on marriages of different races but the court does not hold the power to completely change the definition or marriage. The DOMA left it completely up to the states to decide whether to allow or ban same sex marriage, and that those states did not have to uphold same sex marriage license from other states, which the court said it could not do.

The government is overstepping it's boundaries laid out by the constitution more and more lately. Sad thing is we've even got a front runner for the DNC who is for socialism which is everything the constitution is against. Where will it end and when are we ever going to get back on track?


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The U.S. Supreme Court is highest court of the land and its decisions interpreting the laws of congress and particularly the U.S. Constitution are final. You can all disagree with its decision but that will not change a thing.

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God help us all when we hold a woman married 4 times, gets pregnant with men other then her husband, as our leader on morals values. She uses God as it suits her current desires.

Agree with what you say, but please let's not make this slut into some type of religious hero.

And how the hell did that ugly bitch find 4 guys blind enough to marry her. 8-)

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yes they are but they are also human prone to mistakes

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The following is the oath that Kim Davis took. What I find ironic is that it is an oath with God's help, but she is arrested when she practices God's values. I'm still neutral at the moment on this issue, but that should definitely be a technicality that should set her free.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of ——————— according to law; and I do further solemnly swear (or affirm) that since the adoption of the present Constitution, I, being a citizen of this State, have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within this State nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons, nor have I acted as second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus offending, so help me God."

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RangerP: There is always an element of contemporary morality in the interpretation of the constitution. If it weren't for that we would be stuck in the 18th century. Need I list all that has changed since then to make my point?

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Ranger, all I said was that she is dog butt ugly and you have to blind to marry that. And since she's a Self proclaimed democratic, and I as a truth speaking republican am expect to say that.

Please no fables trying to justify this woman sleeping around on her husband. There is a pretty clear 10 commandment covering that.

And based on how she handles marraige, I would say she is in no moral or legal positon to say who should get married. She should either quit her 80,000 year gift job, or shut up and do it. If we allowed every dumbass public servant pick and chose who can get service based on their own personal bias, nothing would get done.

Eve n if you don't believe in gay marriage, then surely your smart enough to see we can't let public servants make up their own rules. What if after a war, some religous anti war clerk decide she didn't want to give you a lisense of some type since your a war vet. Slippery slope.

If you don't like it get congress to make a new law. Until then follow current laws.

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A vet getting "some kind of license" is nothing like this. The Supreme Court cannot make laws and can interpret the constitution, that is it. They cannot make any law to force states to recognize same sex marriage. The states decide that as they have been doing for some time until this happened. If they wanted marriage so bad they should've proposed a constitutional amendment and got it legalized the right way instead of doing this. This just over rides the principles laid out by the constitution as to how new things are legalized, which is exactly what the Supreme Court is supposed to do. Sad thing is this would easily be won in a legal battle if it wasn't such a personal issue where everyone is afraid to offend everyone. Personally I think marriage should've just stayed a religious thing in the church instead of becoming a legal issue and we wouldn't have any of these problems.


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100% agree with you that marraige should have stay in the church. But, also I'm old school and like many Catholics don't believe in divorce. There is a common oath, till death do us part. Don't say it unless you mean it. Pick wisely and don't rush in since there is an easy divorce by the government.

On they other stuff, they can and they did. States rights mean very little in today's world. The clock ain't going back, so best to move on and pick your battles.

Only reason I used vets example, is because ranger would clearly understand how fucked up that would be. At one point this country had a large group of anti-war and anti-vet libs who would like to reject a vet if they would be allowed to. To me, they got a good to do, they need to do it or quit, leave their beliefs at home.

On a side note, Guam is kicking butt with chemical castration of sex violators . I wish every state did that, but why waste the chemicals, use a rubber band.

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I feel the same way. Outside of adultery I do not believe divorce is an option. You get married for life not till you get tired of each other.. But you are right. I highly doubt the decision will ever be reversed whether I want it to be or not.


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Justice Kennedy wrote the US Supreme Court’s opinion legalizing same-sex marriage. My question on all of this, is simple – if the Supreme Court is supposed to interpret law in regard to the Constitution, why did he forget to say anything about our constitution in his words below? Why did he not specify exactly where the Constitution recognizes gay marriage in his opinion?

This is the opinion that Kennedy wrote - "No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization's oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right."


He could just as easily say that the Constitution grants the rights to ride unicorns and surf rainbows, and it would have no more meaning than what he stated in his majority opinion. Writing about "ideals of love, devotion, sacrifice..." is not constitutional, it is a bunch of feel good horse shit.

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One person name the specific law that this Clerk violated. After you name the law, please tell me exactly when Congress (if it is federal) or when Kentucky (if state law) passed the law. Keep in mind, laws come from congress, not the Supreme Court.


In an earlier post, Teraboat stated "If you don't like it get congress to make a new law. Until then follow current laws"

Name the "current law" this clerk violated. Show me the old law where congress mandated "gay marriage" before we come up with Teraboat's "new law".

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Please don't. If my fellow republicans put this lady up as our beacon of courage, morals, and family values, then I may just vote independent. Luckily, a couple logical republicans leading the polls see it my way. Lost battle or fight it the right way.

I'm not a lawyer, but the laws I'm refering to are discrimination laws. She can do her job, regardless of her religous beliefs or get another job. Descrimination as a public servant cannot be allowed by anyone, republican or Democrate. As a long time republican, I have never believed the ends justify the means. She is clearly fighting trh battle the wrong way.

Don't change your rules just to help meet your current needs. Doing it the right way matters.

Also, she dug her own grave as an Obama voting democrate . And I still can't believe 4 guys married her. 8-)

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Great example in the paper today. A Muslim flight attendant would not serve customers alcohol because of HER religous belief. Luckily it was not a government job, so she was properly suspended from work until she agrees to do her job.

Does she have a right to keep a job which requires her to do something she objects to be cause of religous beliefs? Of course she is now sueing.

Before this clerk event, 99% of the republicans would properly say she should not take a job she has religous objections with. But now that is a Muslim, what whould you say when your kicked back on a flight or at a restaraunt then your waitress / Flt attendant suddenly decides to save her soul with your beer.

Understand my positon now? Do your frickin job or get a different job where you don't violate your beliefs, but you have zero rights to push your beliefs on me.

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Not taking a position one way or the other, just playong devils advocate. The flight attendant wasn't elected, and is required by her employer to perform duties assigned regardless of her religious beliefs. The voters of Kentucky (or that disctict, whatever) have the right to recall her. She's willing to accept the consequences (jail time or fine), is that muslim woman?


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Way to chime in there buddy. Ill let you gobble my wiener to since you asked. You really got me with that comment. What are you about 18 yrs old tryin to fit in where you don't? You guys are some of the biggest egotistical bunch of pricks I've ever seen. Lol shut the f&$k up and get back on momma's tit.


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Okay, I will stop my jokes about her being butt ugly, since it is getting in the way of some thinking clearly.

I'm not a lawyer by the grace of God, and really don't want to spend a lot of time researching this to provide counter points to some who believe the ends justify the means, so here is the opinion of a GOP presidential candidate who Apposes gay marraige. Maybe his opinion will show you that I'm not way out there in left feild.

USAToday article:

Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a GOP presidential candidate, who opposes gay marriage, thinks a Kentucky clerk should issue same-sex marriage licenses despite her religious beliefs.


"She's not running a church. I wouldn't force this on a church, but in terms of her responsibility, I think she has to comply," said Kasich, Ohio governor and a GOP presidential candidate. He doesn't think she should sit in jail, he said, but "I think she should follow the law."

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Where is the law? Not some group of judges that think culture dictates it should be allowed, but where is the actual law?


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Again, not a lawyer and not wasting time trying to dig up facts to counter what your local minister is telling you.

Fact is, the Supreme Court ruled that our existing laws do not allow any state, county , or local butt ugly clerk (sorry could help it) from prevent gays from marrying. So either fight to make some better laws, or following the current ones. You can't just pick and chose when you want to follow the law. I think it's a lost cause, so I'm moving on. If you chose to dive into the Clinton world of doing whatever every you dam well want because your in the right, God help you. If the republicain party wants to survive they have to stick together and follow a logical and honest course. This ain't the way.

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The law is contempt of court.


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Agree with you fully, but this "lady" you hold out as a beacon of religous courage, clearly does not understand what it means to be married under God. Life long commitment , period. I doubt the church is dissolved any of her marriages due to inability to remain faithful to any marraige.

I have been married for 30 years under God, and will not get remarried until death we part. I took an oath, and that still means something to a few of us. Yes, it may be inconvienr for most, so feel free to justify why a "lady" with four husband understand which people should get married. To me, she is already hell bound, but I'm much more conservative then you.

If a job forces me to do something outside my morals, I get another job. Simple. But don't try to force your religion on me since we all believe different things.

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Thanks Kim for setting a new religious legal precedence, opening the door for Sharia law cases in the US. I really don’t care what anyone’s make believe friend says about whom or who should not get married; it is really between two consenting adults. Christendom has hitched its wagon to winner with this one.

So if you want to handle serpents and or speak in tongues have at it, just not around me or on the public payroll.

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Aside from religious beliefs, what the supreme court did is say that the DOMA was unconstitutional and you could not have a federal ban of gay marriages across the board. That's it, so they said there is no FEDERAL law against gay marriage like there used to be. Now that there is not a law that decision is left to the states, because anything not directly under the constitution or a federal law/decision is handed over to the states to decide. Kentucky has a law in the constitution that clearly is against gay marriages. She has not broken any laws and actually would have broken the law by issuing a marriage license. Everyone needs to read the fine print in the rulings, and not just interpret it to be getting rid of gay marriage bans across the nation. It was only on the federal level. I don't understand why everyone missed that and no one has pointed it out.


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Excellent point! That's the type of thinking we need in GOP.

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