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Good article to read...

https://www.boatingmag.com/boats/sinkin ... ety#page-8

Or if you prefer a video from the USCG testing center...

http://safeafloat.com/video_listing/boat-testing/

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Hey Giga,
Here's a few links for you to check out.
https://americanboating.org/boating_fatality.asp In this one notice that no where in the article does it mention not having flotation as a cause of death.

http://www.boattest.com/view-news/76_ca ... fatalities If you scroll to the bottom of this article and read the summary it mentions life jackets or PFDs greatly reducing the amount of deaths to total boaters ratio. Also no mention of flotation.

http://www.boattest.com/view-news/76_ca ... fatalities And lastly in this one you can read that both victims bodies were recovered without PFD's.

Do you really still believe the lack of flotation results in the majority of boating fatalities?

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Never once did I say or infer that lack of floatation was a major cause of boating deaths !

I only said that a boat sold and used as a recreational hull should have USCG certified floation
before I would let my friends or family ride in it. It would also have PFDs and everyone would
be encouraged to wear their PFDs at all times. Also the driver is responsible for safe operation.

Deaths usually have several underlying causes.

One cause is use of a "commercial hull" for family recreational activities.

Here is a video on that "Lethal Loophole" - which hopefully will be closing by sticter enforcement.

http://safeafloat.com/video_listing/lethal-loophole/

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Gigs, please answer my question above. Does your boat have the additional floatation box between the rear floatation pods, directly in front of the motor.

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Seems the USCG also says non floation hulls put lives at risk - and they are intent upon stricter enforcement !

http://safeafloat.com/video_listing/lethal-loophole/

Seems the issue is already decided by federal laws and they are getting stricter and stricter

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Giga, does your boat have the center flotation pod in it?


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I'm sorry but this is borderline snowflake talk. Giga, I'm sure you are an alright guy and have a kind heart, etc... but man, if someone doesn't want flotation in their boat, then so be it... It should be their choice. I would dare to venture that alcohol consumption and non-compliance of pfd utilization are the main causes of boating deaths. Common sense on the water goes a long ways...

Back to my original question. Who in the mud boat world is currently utilizing full foam flotation? Or any flotation for that matter? And are there Federal laws in or coming into effect that require all boat mfg. to comply with floatation regardless of classification?

I know Excel does, and War Eagle, what about Prodigy? My Timber creek doesn't, I know that. The Uncle J I looked at didn't have any either... I'm curious as to which way the boat mfg. are going and what is being forced at them to remain in the industry.

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Members here also aren't a bunch of pussies that need the government to control our lives and tell what is and isn't safe.
I bet you think kids should wear helmets, knee pads, and elbow pads just to ride a bike.

It all boils down to this, you think that having a boat that's filled with flotation to make you warm and happy and feel safe to go out on the water.
I feel that its not flotation that makes me safe when I'm on the water but it is the lessons I was taught and following proper boat handling and generally boat safety.
However you want to tell everyone that they have shit for brains if they don't agree with you and take their families in these horrible mean unsafe boats.
Just admit it, you are a liberal aren't you. You will feel better once you come out of the closet about it and admit to all of us that you voted for Hilary too. No need to hide it.

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I think I just read that voting for Hillary = Flotation Advocate.

Funny shit right there.

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That video is 5 years old.

As far as the original question. Commercial rated and home made stamped vessels do not need to have flotation in order to be legal. Boat manufactures must only install foam in their boats if they are being delivered by the manufacture across state lines to be sold. That said if you go to the a manufacture to have a boat built it does not have to have flotation in it as long as that manufacture doesn't deliver the boat across state lines. However it has to carry a commercial rating and it has to be relayed to the purchaser that it is in fact without flotation.

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I bet 95% or more of hulls in this state will not float if filled with water.

I have seen a 17’ Larson in board sink to the bottom of the lake. Bone stock from the factory. I’ll bet that boat is sold in 48 states from dealers. Fill any Lund boat and that thing is going down like the Edmund Fitzgerald.

All this stuff you reference doesn’t add up when looking at manufacturers who sell all across the country in real volume.


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You are a liberal, confirmed.


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ummm, I bet cars drown more people per year than any jo-boat. Do you go around bothering car drivers to put flotation in their cars?



btw, my boat is a registered commercial vessel. has been for years. don't need or want flotation, that's what a pfd is for. lol


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It is a discussion on "Floatation on a Mud Boat"

Without - you save a few pounds and gain a bit of storage but the trade-off is safety
and depending on the State you live problems down the road on registration and resale

With - a safer truely "100%" legal hull to use and resale nationwide

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Personally - I'd rather be able to stay inside my boat if it swamped and just bail it out....

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Then you never go hunting ???

You never use it for personal or family recreation ???

Because if you do you are in violatation of the laws regulating
the use of commercial hulls !

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/boating/le ... -purchases
From your own Louisiana Wildlife website !

That is the loophole you are exploiting and you are not 100% legal !

Also that Louisiana commercial fishing license is no good in any other State !

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Legal Definition is based upon use at the time in question

commercial vessel - is defined as:
(A) In general. The term 'commercial vessel' means any vessel used--
(i) in transporting cargo by water for compensation or hire, or
(ii) in transporting cargo by water in the business of the owner, lessee, or operator of the vessel.


recreational vessel - is defined as:
(25)“recreational vessel” means a vessel— (A)being manufactured or operated primarily
for pleasure; or (B)leased, rented, or chartered to another for the latter’s pleasure.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/46/4311

(a) A person willfully operating a recreational vessel in violation of this chapter or
a regulation prescribed under this chapter shall be fined not more than $5,000,
imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

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You posted something specific that again leaves your argument wanting for more support.

That word "primarily" screws you. If it's used commercially more than it's used recreationally (but it also doesnt specify over what time period, whether yearly, monthly, or lifetime of the boat), then it isnt breaking the law. It's not a loophole. It's how the law is specifically written.

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The reg you posted yourself doesnt explicitly limit recreational use of a commercial boat, not does it even infer anything of the sort.

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If the law doesnt use the word "primarily" in describing a recreational vessel, then the whole thing changes. Period. But they put that word in there. That, by definition, means that LEGALLY a boat of certain dimensions if it's not primarily used (the meaning of primarily for legal purposes would be a majority of the time, or over 50%), then it can be a commercial if it meets the requirements there, and as such does not have to meet the standard of flotation required in a recreational vessel. You want to talk reading comprehension, then using English words, explain how the law means something else as you comprehend it. The video can say whatever because it's not the regulation as written, and has no legal weight. I haven't watched it, and probably won't, because my boat was purchased legally and is operated legally based on the written regulation.

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Giga, you darn well that you are on here again at this time of the year, because you have to pimp for GoDevil, so COCO will give you your place under the desk and also reward you with a free prop and bushings, that you have to change so often in that motor that you run.


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man if y'all don't like foam then don't by it , yes foam does not save people but the boat its above the water for people to hang on , and if foam is such a bad thing then why does every major fiberglass manufacture use foam
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We don't, and that's what has giga so pissed. Not sure why, but whatever.

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