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Author:  Gigafowl [ Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:45 pm ]
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Author:  Russ [ Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:21 pm ]
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You dont listen. No one is at risk because of a boat not having flotation. They're at risk because of the conditions, boat operation, and driver capability, attention, and decisions. Period.

Putting passengers in a life jacket helps change the narrative if something happens due to one of those factors. Put flotation in the boat and change nothing. Nothing. Seriously, giga, what does it help? Something to climb up on? In 30 degree weather when the water is 40 degrees? Which is better? Be specific. If its 80 outside and the water is 65? Oh, wait, I don't use that boat in those conditions, and I'm not the only one. Try something else. You haven't proven anything yet, regardless of your attempts. My passengers aren't in more danger without flotation in my duck hunting boat than they are with flotation.

Funny thing is, theres a guy that posted here a while back about had his boat not had flotation, the tug boat wouldn't have seen him on it and plucked him out of the water. You never used that in defense of your argument. Would've at least helped you a little. When looking up stats related to that type of situation, though, the numbers don't support you except in the extreme outliers, which doesnt validate your efforts. Most of those cases fall into the category above about decisions, conditions, etc.

You do you. Don't worry about your perceived failure of the rest of us not wanting to replace foam in our boats because the manufacturer is too cheap or lazy to seal it off properly, or warranty that coast guard rating that isnt valid after 3 years of normal use in the rain.

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Author:  Gigafowl [ Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:23 pm ]
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Author:  Russ [ Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:44 pm ]
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Not related to my post, nor to yours concerning your amazement.

Having a mudboat with flotation will eventually only be avoidable if we build our own boats. But the law isnt as clear, which I've already stated, as you claim. That word "primarily" screws that up. Who defines that, and how?
Using a boat 4 months out of the year for hunting, the the other 8 months of the year for delivering mail in the swamp, or commercial fishing, etc, it is perfectly legal, as it is not used "primarily" for recreational purposes. Or 6 months and 1 day is enough. Or 10 years out of a 15 year old boat's life? Whats the time frame to be considered primarily? Or even using it 12 months out of the year for those options to make money, but using it on the weekends for fishing or taking the family out to enjoy the water. Oops, still legal without flotation. See what I mean? Still good and clear? Manufacturers wont have to eat that one, because theres still wiggle room because of my examples above. Also some I haven't mentioned or thought of, but I figure the above is enough to make life fun for lawyers, and painful for the courts.

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Author:  Gigafowl [ Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:49 pm ]
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Author:  Wchauvin [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:54 am ]
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Giga - The hell you know about enforcement? Have you ever enforced anything in your life or looked at the Louisiana revised statutes book and see how many different ways things can be interpreted or enforced based on their wording? Unless you are a captain or above in the wildlife and fisheries then your constant comment of "enforcement is coming" is completely meaningless and quite annoying. Everyone wants to enforce but no one is in an enforcement capacity. Do yourself a personal favor and go ride along with an officer in your local jurisdiction for a day and you will see that no one has time to worry about stupid flotation or cars parked 13 inches from the curb instead of 12. I can promise you, law enforcement does not care about flotation and would not have time to enforce it even if they were worried about it. Please stop acting like you know the laws governing the state of Louisiana just because you look up and read an LRS code once a year.

Author:  Gigafowl [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:48 am ]
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Author:  Russ [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:44 am ]
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But it isnt against the law to use boats without flotation for recreational purposes. It only applies to boats purchased after the change that meet certain criteria, and if the grandfathered exemption isnt in place, and they are used primarily for recreational purposes.

You didnt address my questions specifically, giga. Make up your mind if it's a law thing to you, or safety issue. If it's the latter, you haven't validated that argument. If it's the former, then you really dont understand the words written in the law.

The law isnt clear because it doesnt say "if you have passengers that aren't licensed and using it for commercial purposes then you are in violation of the law." That's not in there anywhere. It says if the boat is primarily used for recreational purposes, then it is required. Primarily that day, in a month, or a year, or lifetime of the boat? Not defined. They left that vague for a reason.



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Author:  KJH [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:54 am ]
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Anyone know when the magic date was that changed the law? When did all non-commercial boats begin to need flotation?

Author:  Gigafowl [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:23 pm ]
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Author:  cb5331 [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:59 pm ]
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Didn't gd build a shit ton of "commercial" hulls for pd knowing that pd was selling these hulls in the same, mostly "recreational", market as gd? So does Coco really give a flying fuck about safety or laws? Or maybe he cares more about money?

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Author:  Russ [ Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:05 pm ]
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I keep flex seal and flex tape in my boat. Don't need anything else. Can make it back to the trailer real easy with that.

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Author:  idabilly [ Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:07 pm ]
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Not gonna read the whole thread. Have wasted hours of my life I will never have back reading previous flotation argument threads on MMT.

I don't care if you have flotation in your boat or not. It's your business.

I can tell you that we run in Idaho in air temps all the way down to single digits with water temps in the 30s and I am glad I have it. We run big water. Yes, we wear life jackets, but I shudder to think what a 1/2 mile swim in these temps would do. I am pretty sure you would die. If I am hit by the rogue wave and flotation plus my 2000 GPH bilge pump will buy me the opportunity to be in the boat in my waders instead of out of the boat and swimming for shore I will tolerate the loss of space in my boat and speed that the bulk and weight of full level flotation costs. Your experience may vary.

That is all.

Author:  Wchauvin [ Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:41 pm ]
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Evil is the one who restarts this thread says Chauvin :twisted:

Author:  daddyflea [ Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:58 pm ]
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I wish my Boat had good clean Flotation but I know it will soon be Water logged and just cause weight in my boat. I doubt it would float at all in a year or less.

Author:  Gigafowl [ Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:07 pm ]
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Author:  Wchauvin [ Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:09 pm ]
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Here we go again :x

Author:  daddyflea [ Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:51 pm ]
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You know I just thought of something. I do have Flotation. I got 6 Lifejackets under the Front Hatch.

Author:  Wchauvin [ Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:49 pm ]
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I do too then lol :lol:

Author:  daddyflea [ Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:37 am ]
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Author:  Wchauvin [ Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:10 am ]
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Sounds like a good conclusion to me lol :D

Author:  Gigafowl [ Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:24 pm ]
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Author:  Russ [ Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:27 pm ]
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.....

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Author:  kirk [ Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:57 pm ]
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This thread popping up as the most viewed in the Cyber mud fest category goes to shows this forum has gone to poo poo. Haha
Floatation did get me out of a bind one time. But it was a very very poor decision on my part. I believe it kept the rear end of my boat floating enough to keep the motor out of the water and idle it back to the bank. My transom was nearly under water.
All goes back to decision making. Most learn the hard way, and thankfully most live to tell about it.


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Author:  JBsuperG [ Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:34 am ]
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Author:  kirk [ Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:21 pm ]
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Author:  dead animal [ Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:28 pm ]
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i run a comm skiff with a comm vessel liscense and a comm fishin liscense, and i would sink that mutherfuker with you in it just to drown your sorry azz. lol

Author:  cb5331 [ Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:23 pm ]
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Author:  dead animal [ Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:59 pm ]
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my bad, yea I was talking to Gia. probly should of just let the thread die again. lol

Author:  Will C [ Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:02 pm ]
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:lol:

Author:  Gigafowl [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:47 pm ]
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Clearly those who are educated and have evolved beyond
webbed toes know the true value of floatation....

:lol:

Author:  dead animal [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:56 pm ]
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that's just it.... nobody's 'evolved' around where I live. and that's how we like it. I don't need big bruther pushing flotation and helmuts and seatbelts on me. what this is all about is money anyway. the mfers who build boats are mad at the other mfers who build boats and are using stupid feelgood legislation to try and run the little man out of bidness. instead of having a craftsman who been making boats for 40 years build u a boat for a few thousand, they want to outlaw this and make u buy a 10-15k hull from a 'government approved' builder. I bet Gia's husband has a boat shop and wants a new swimming pool so he's on his soapbox trying to screw me and other working class folks who just want the boat we need, not some stupid, bloated pos that will be harder to push and waste my time/money.

just because u think u are 'educated' and above common sense don't mean you know shit. carpetbaggers are nothing new. keep that sheet in texas. lol

Author:  Gigafowl [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:20 pm ]
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No body gives a flip if you spend your money inside your parish
on scrap aluminum....


Just dont call it a boat and try to sell it in Texas - or any other State....

Unless you add floatation or sealed chambers and send it off to the USCG for
certification which should only add a few hundred dollars to the overall build cost...

Pontoon boats get USCG with no foam at all just multiple sealed chambers....

Author:  1648 [ Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:20 pm ]
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Author:  daddyflea [ Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:20 pm ]
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Just ordered one of those automatic inflatable Life Jackets so I am covered

Author:  fishaholic82 [ Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:09 pm ]
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Here this dip shit goes again with his piss poor interpretation of what is legal and what ain't.

Just let this democrat think he knows best and let this thread die!

Author:  daddyflea [ Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:21 pm ]
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I myself would love to have Flotation under my Floor that would float my boat. Problem is we all know that crap gets water logged and heavy real quick and it never dries out. In fact this same Flotation could cause you to be dead in the water from hitting something you might float over after it does get water logged. Not to metion all the water it may trap by not allowing you boat to drain as it should. This is why I did not want it. This Horse died some time ago.

Author:  dead animal [ Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:06 pm ]
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so, if I go to home depot and buy a couple of cans of foam, then shuv theem up my azz, will I float? seems like a great solution to this problem. Gia, u go first and let us know if the coast guard approves. lol

Author:  BlueShamu [ Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:00 pm ]
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Author:  Gigafowl [ Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:09 pm ]
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Captain Indicted.... Faces 170 years in prison...

Kenneth Scott McKee was indicted Thursday in connection with the tragic duck boat sinking that killed 17 people, including nine members of one family.

Prosecutors said McKee did not properly assess the weather that fateful day in July -- before or after the boat went into the water. McKee also allegedly failed to tell passengers to put on their flotation devices or prepare them to abandon ship after two separate alarms sounded.

The captain was charged with 17 counts of misconduct and negligence or inattention to duty by a ship’s officer resulting in death, according to the indictment. He faces up to 10 years in prison on each count.

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