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rubbinisracin
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Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:05 pm Posts: 213 Location: Wake Forest, NC
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37 efi low idle and hard start
Doing some scouting Saturday and when I done with the first spot and started to crank the motor it was hard to start. Finally fired up but idled around 500 rpm (usually idles at ~800ish). So I was going to check the push pull cable (console control) but it eventually started running fine (in a matter of a few minutes). So now there's nothing to check. Anyone have any thoughts? Could this be the onset of the wiring harness issues that some have with the efi motors?
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:45 am |
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
The idle works like this.. There is an Idle air control valve and a Throttle Position sensor. The TPS is ONLY there to tell the ECM "hey I'm at idle", signal the IAC valve to keep the designated idle speed regardless of load. It requires removing the air filter assembly, make sure the throttle is against the idle stop, plug the IAC, set the idle speed to 650-700 with IAC PLUGGED, then release the hole to let the engine IDLE up... From this point you will already have back probed the TPS plug and have the Multi Meter set on AC volts. You adjust the TPS to the required voltage listed in manual. I cant think off the top of my head the exact number. After this you are all set. Clear ECM memory and move on.
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:28 pm |
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rubbinisracin
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Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:05 pm Posts: 213 Location: Wake Forest, NC
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
Doesn't particularly sound like a job easily performed in the swamp. From your description it makes me wonder if something got on the IAC hole, if it did then it cleared itself up pretty quick. While this was happening it seemed like something funny was going on with the battery power (my fish finder turned off on its own, never did that before) I switched to the other battery it didn't really seem to help the idle at first but it did start to clear up then. It seemed to still rev up so the IAC seems a little suspect. It's working fine now so there's really nothing I can do other than wait till it does it again.
_________________ 1854 CC backyard build with GTR 37 EFI
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:50 pm |
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
Check your battery and ground connections at the battery, Engine, and starter terminal.
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:03 am |
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ALLDRAKES
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Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:34 pm Posts: 17
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
Mine started hard aswell however ran great. I just adjusted the valves to .004 on intake and .007 on exhaust and its fires right up now. Have not had a chance to run it on the water yet.
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Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:58 pm |
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
Another reason for hard start is the CPS can be a touch farther away than SPEC. Valve lash FIRST, then check codes for P0336 (CPS noisy circuit).
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Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:41 am |
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rubbinisracin
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Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:05 pm Posts: 213 Location: Wake Forest, NC
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
I haven't had a chance to run it since the last time.
How do you check the codes? If there is no blinking like on the tiny tach then there's no codes right?
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:59 pm |
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
If you do not have a new style tack with a CEL, You have to reun the ecm sequence for blink codes and add a temp CEL, or plug in a tiny scan, OR use the Briggs Technician assistant.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:11 am |
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rubbinisracin
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Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:05 pm Posts: 213 Location: Wake Forest, NC
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
tinytach.jpgHere's the kind I have
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:12 am |
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Will C
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Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
Thats a walmart special. No check engine light on that one
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:32 am |
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rubbinisracin
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Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:05 pm Posts: 213 Location: Wake Forest, NC
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
That's what came on it from Gatortail. Can I get one with a check engine light? If so where?
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:36 am |
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
_________________ Bayou Surface Drive 337-351-0362 Tarkington, TX 77327
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:12 am |
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rubbinisracin
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Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:05 pm Posts: 213 Location: Wake Forest, NC
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
How much does that run? Brief search online isn't turning up much, where can you buy that stuff from?
_________________ 1854 CC backyard build with GTR 37 EFI
Build thread here.. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=66815
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:16 am |
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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Re: 37 efi low idle and hard start
Local briggs dealer. When they updated the harness they have an additional plug for a Tach.
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