Have a MB 45 mag rite now. Love the motor just want something a little newer and with reverse. Was leaning towards a boss drive 4400 Black Death. From everything Iv seen on here as well as other forums they seem to suck ass. Only good thing is the reverse. Everyone says it’s a toss up between GTR and MB. Definitely want EFI and reverse i know both offer those. Motor will be going on a 15’ or 16’ havoc boat. Any help is appreciated!!!!!

idk where you got that the boss sucked ass. The word is that they are just slower than the rest. Don't quote me, but I think willet said the boss picked up some speed once it was run for a while. why not go with a mudbuddy hdr, or GTR, or a PD?
All have reverse.

On a boat that short, definitely check the weights. The less you put on the back the happier you'll be. All of those are heavier than your 45 mag.

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Doesn't matter what brand motor you get, you put a load inside a 15ft havoc and they will all suck.

Thanks guys! Will most likely go with the new 37XD GTR on a 16’ havoc! Does anyone know what speeds a set up like that is running? My set up now pushes 33-34 with just me. 29-31 loaded down. I’d like to keep the speed ( not that i do much racing to the holes ) but still like to stay low 30’s

I'd guess between 22-24mph loaded down with a 2-3 man load. Maybe a hair more if you pack heavily.

Youre losing hp going to a GTR37 because it is a stock rig. You won't get the same speeds.


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I could be wrong, but the 37efi will probably be about the same as a 45mag. When Efi was 1st coming out, it was said the Efi was equivalent to a carb Stage 1. Also the 45mag is mass produced BPS mods (not exactly sure what mods they have) but it isn't going to perform the same as "custom" mods

I'd say about 29-30 empty boat, 24-26 loaded.
I'd also say you choice in motor is a good choice, but choice in boat, hmmmm, not so great.

Does anyone know the prices for each stage of delta on this motor ?

And what’s so bad about the havoc ??

and going with a 35 or higher u want to at least go to a 17' boat.

Short boat, heavy motor not a good combo.

If you go 16ft, at least get something 54" or wider. My dad's boat is a 1652. It isn't bad, but could stand to be a little wider with the 35 on the back. My 1748 with 30ish hp on the back carried a 3man and gear load just as good as his did with a stock 35.

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Here's why you don't want a Havoc.

https://youtu.be/0VAEowFOajs


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Anyone know how to get a hold of delta. Won’t answer phone or every number is wrong number

Keep calling, their busy and will answer eventually.