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Post Hybrid/V-rake with flat bottom
Posts seem to indicate that people like their true flat bottom with V-rake (hybrid, Mod-V front ONLY). Boats Like Gator Trax Hybrid or Excel Shallow water (seen Phowler and Uncle-J building them too).

Anyone out there regret getting this type of hull? If so, why?

Any disadvantages besides extra cost?

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I know you'll love one if you run timber or big water.


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Post Re: Hybrid/V-rake with flat bottom
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I know you'll love one if you run timber or big water.


That's what I'm thinking (for big/rough water). Are you running that type of hull?

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Gator-Tail I believe made one too.

If I get another boat it will have a mod-v with flat bottom excellent design.

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I am about to have a boat built and seriously considering this build, also. I have searched high/low through the search feature wanting to see reviews. Had one that started out really good. But, the guy said he would update review after he got into some mud and never did. So, I PM'd him and asked if he had any regrets and if he was satisfied with it. This was his response.

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Boat performed well in the mud. Very satisifed with it and yes I would do it again. It don't seem like much but the vee makes a difference if you crossing big water on a windy day. I cross a main river to get to my lease and it gives a little security when crossing.

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Post Re: Hybrid/V-rake with flat bottom
Thanks, for that link, WestEnd! Seems to confirm people like those V-Rake fronts.

Unless I hear from people that are disappointed with hulls they run built like this, I'm thinking this would be the way to go?

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http://www.mudmotortalk.com/mmt_v2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7705&start=0

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One more thing if I would have had a pro drive the other day I could have backed out I'n full power I'n sted of pushing Ma boat !!!


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May have to copy and paste from the http

Can't do much on this iphone

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One more thing if I would have had a pro drive the other day I could have backed out I'n full power I'n sted of pushing Ma boat !!!


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May have to copy and paste from the http

Can't do much on this iphone

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21795

that one?

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Post Re: Hybrid/V-rake with flat bottom
UNCLE-J wrote:
http://www.mudmotortalk.com/mmt_v2/viewtopic.php?t=23578


Uncle J,

Yes! That's exactly the design I'm talking about. I can't think of any downsides to having that V rake front except for maybe cost? I suppose it might affect how easy it would be to get over things like beaver dams and logs (maybe?). It just seems like you'd still have great shallow water performance with the added benefit in rough water.

I sent you a note through the Uncle-J website.

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What's ya god given name. I have about 10 request pending

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One more thing if I would have had a pro drive the other day I could have backed out I'n full power I'n sted of pushing Ma boat !!!


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What's ya god given name. I have about 10 request pending


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My request was the one with the hybrid rake and all the pencil scratchings. That one must be somewhere like #9 or something. :lol:

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Post Re: Hybrid/V-rake with flat bottom
The main disadvantage I see is that it adds length to the boat without increasing the usable space.


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Post Re: Hybrid/V-rake with flat bottom
Tossing around the idea of the mod-v rake on my next boat. From what I've read it seems like everyone likes them. Does anyone know how they do with going over obstacles? What I've watched in some videos it seems as though the boat usually goes to one side or the other. Probably not that big of deal. The pros seem to far outweigh the cons, if there are any at all.

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Tossing around the idea of the mod-v rake on my next boat. From what I've read it seems like everyone likes them. Does anyone know how they do with going over obstacles? What I've watched in some videos it seems as though the boat usually goes to one side or the other. Probably not that big of deal. The pros seem to far outweigh the cons, if there are any at all.


When you're on plane (on a well designed boat), the mod-v is not in the water and you're on the flat bottom part of the boat. At slower speeds, the V is in the water. For ice it works well, though I wish I would have had them add a piece of angle like Prodigy does for reinforcement

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MNGunner wrote:
UNCLE-J wrote:
http://www.mudmotortalk.com/mmt_v2/viewtopic.php?t=23578


Uncle J,

Yes! That's exactly the design I'm talking about. I can't think of any downsides to having that V rake front except for maybe cost? I suppose it might affect how easy it would be to get over things like beaver dams and logs (maybe?). It just seems like you'd still have great shallow water performance with the added benefit in rough water.

I sent you a note through the Uncle-J website.

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Only benefit I have seen is a smoother ride in the white caps. They do tend to throw the spray upward which blows back on you compared to the rough ride in a flat, in which the spray is thrown outward.


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Post Re: Hybrid/V-rake with flat bottom
I've been extremely happy with my 1960 phowler that has the mod v front before the rake. I picked it up the beginning of April this year and am averaging about once a week on the water with it, more when it was warmer. I finally parked it until spring ice out after my normal put in spot on the river iced in a week and a half ago. The river opened back up, but ducks are closed, my traps are pulled, and it is dark when I get off work.

I've deflected off of a handful of solid, semi-submerged items without riding up on them, but I'm not sure how much different the outcome would have been with a full flat bottom. It seems like I bounced to the side instead of riding up onto debris and the redirection kept me moving forward rather than grounded. Maybe that is my perception because I subconsciously want to justify having the features that all the "cool kids" have. I do like the pointed front, even though my deflections thus far have been at or just above water level. I don't know much about mud, as most of the river I am on is a hard sand bottom. The angle up front at the crease doesn't seem to be getting too beat up in the time I've been running it. I've been happy with performance in heavily whitecapped water, although I have never felt the need to go out into the really big, deep vee boat rough type water and have no desire to test boundaries on a boat I purchased for the river and marsh.

One thing I can say about this purchase is that it is one of the first in my life that if I had to do it all over again knowing what I know after the fact, I would not do anything differently. I really, really like my boat. The mod-vee added a chunk of change up front, but I have felt it was money well spent.

Off topic: Actually, I would do one thing differently, but not with the construction of the boat. Phowler's spud poles are hollow to save weight. Within a few months of use in rough conditions/heavy current I managed to bend them both. After trying pvc I decided to go heavy and put a point on solid aluminum rod. While the weight is a little more, I'm not going to ever bend them. If one goes to the bottom, I'll run down to State Steel and spend $45 on a new rod then put a point on it.


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BOATADDICT wrote:
What I've watched in some videos it seems as though the boat usually goes to one side or the other.


This is my experience. When it has happened, I was glad I went to one side or the other rather than up on to the top of. I have a heavy boat that would take some energy to push off of a grounding, and I'm often by myself. (I imagine Gator Glide is in my future.)


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Post Re: Hybrid/V-rake with flat bottom
My Excel had the flat bottom and modified, but the boat performed so poorly with a surface drive that I got rid of it. I think its because the weight of the boat was too much, not because of the style.

It was an ice breaking machine because of the modified V and weight.

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Love mine on Gator Trax boat with .190 gauge. Yes spray does come front of boat with white caps and 30MPH winds in your face. I don't know of any boat that won't put spray in those conditions. Does great in mud but will slide sideways (expected in shallow water and mud). Will break the white caps at slow speeds. 1754, .190, gauge hybrid v rake, 12" catwalks both sides, huntdeck, 5 man load, 5 dozen decoys, 2 20 pound propane bottles with heaters, chairs, BACON and EGGS, GTR35 with delta stage 3, Hammer prop, and run 23 mph with that load.

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My 1854 Mod-V has a re-Inforced angle welded. Within reason stumps and ice are no problem. Works as a good spray shield but like MN-Gunner said on plane not as noticeable. I have no loss of space because of the extended deck. The gas tank , trolling battery and tackle boxes are all under the front deck.


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Post Re: Hybrid/V-rake with flat bottom
what degree rise/v rake are everyone building hulls with? contemplating having a hull made and wondering what works for everyone.


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I have a flat bottom with a mod v front. I do not see any difference in the mud but it is a huge difference when running in a chop. I am glad I went with it

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