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netman
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:48 pm Posts: 2363 Location: Chandler,Indiana
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 welding question
Whats your thoughts on butt welding two sheets of 5'x12' together to make a bottom for a skiff? Bottom thickness is .190 aka 3/16 5052. I have checked with my local steel/alum supplier and he said twelve foot was the longest sheet he could get. I would have to have the twenty foot sheets shipped in which I would prefer however I would like to build me a skiff sometime in the next couple months. The five by twelve sheets of .190 cost $400 per piece.
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| Tue May 07, 2013 6:38 pm |
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pokey79
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:50 pm Posts: 2282 Location: Circumcised, Louisiana
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 Re: welding question
try to find a diffrent aluminum supplier cause we get 20 foot sheets down here in louisiana all the time cause it cost more to get a cut sheet!!!
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| Tue May 07, 2013 7:04 pm |
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OlSchool
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:24 pm Posts: 384 Location: Louisiana
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 Re: welding question
Aluminum & Stainless or Pierce Aluminum
Both have places in New Orleans and Broussard
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eljefe
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:32 am Posts: 5210 Location: Beaumont Texas
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 Re: welding question
he is in indiana, not la
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Capt. JJ
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Joined: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:27 pm Posts: 252
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 Re: welding question
It's not ideal, being it's going to take more time and attention to keep everything fair, but any aluminum boat over twenty feet is going to have a seam weld, so it's no big deal if done right. We use to seem those 5x12 sheets together all the time on 12' decked over air boat hulls and never had that center seem fail. I've welded on many 100'+ aluminum crew boats and there made of many sheets welded together
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| Tue May 07, 2013 7:57 pm |
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willett
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:22 am Posts: 1764 Location: Tyler, TX
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 Re: welding question
Mandel metals in Chicago carries a wide range of material and will have 20 footers
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netman
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:48 pm Posts: 2363 Location: Chandler,Indiana
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 Re: welding question
Thanks a bunch guys. I really appreciate your input.
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| Tue May 07, 2013 8:15 pm |
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dfou
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:38 am Posts: 3986 Location: Pville, La
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 Re: welding question
X2 I don't see a problem with it at all especially on 3/16. Get good penetration and you will be fine
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Bigbuckfever
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sat May 28, 2011 11:18 pm Posts: 2114 Location: Slinger, WI
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 Re: welding question
Out of curiosity, would you chamfer the ends of the sheet before welding to help with penetration? Or just weld flat end to flat end?
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| Tue May 07, 2013 9:17 pm |
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dfou
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:38 am Posts: 3986 Location: Pville, La
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 Re: welding question
For what he's doing I would bevel the edges and leave a small gap between the sheets
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| Tue May 07, 2013 9:22 pm |
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forever draggin
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 6664 Location: in the marsh with a boat load full of dead hookers
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 Re: welding question
X2. Just be careful when buffing the weld not to dip into the sheet.
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banded-mallard
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:18 pm Posts: 4310
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pooldoo73
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Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:47 pm Posts: 886 Location: Plaquemine
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 Re: welding question
It's gonna b hard to keep the weld seam from getting distorted, or dog legging.
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Bigbuckfever
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sat May 28, 2011 11:18 pm Posts: 2114 Location: Slinger, WI
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Mag10
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:31 pm Posts: 342 Location: Faribault, Mn
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 Re: welding question
On .188" material I wouldn't bother with beveling the edges. I would leave a .188 gap and use a .188 backer plate. The backer plate will help with some of the distortion.
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netman
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:48 pm Posts: 2363 Location: Chandler,Indiana
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 Re: welding question
Im having to pay 2.50 per pound here locally. I called Mandel in Chicago and it was 1.87 per pound. They had one twenty foot 3/16 in stock however no idea of when they will have more. I am going to call Tals buddy at Pearce and see what I can come up with. Thanks for the replys.
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Kmoppert
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:48 pm Posts: 2006 Location: Baton Rouge, LA
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Bigbuckfever
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sat May 28, 2011 11:18 pm Posts: 2114 Location: Slinger, WI
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netman
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:48 pm Posts: 2363 Location: Chandler,Indiana
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 Re: welding question
K Im not sure. Tal said he could hook me up.
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Mag10
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:31 pm Posts: 342 Location: Faribault, Mn
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 Re: welding question
"Would the backer plate be used structurally? Or just to avoid weld splatter?"
It is somewhat structural. It is used to focus the depostion between the components that you are trying to join. The weld nugget will tie the 2 sheets and the backer stip together instead of letting the energy just blow through the gap and thus bettering the posibility of a complete joint penetraion. Because you are adding a strip of material you are creating a "backbone" along that joint that can help with distortion along the length of the weld.
Mag10
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