The foam God has spoken!
But seriously....
Don't take your boat in conditions that it shouldn't be in, then you will be fine.
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| Author: | Curly [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Boat manufactures flotation |
See all the talk about excels and trouble with water logged foam but what about havoc, edge, ambush...? Anyone ever have problems with these manufactures??? |
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| Author: | brycecheramie [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
Foam in boats, any boat, that is capable of coming in contact with water, will eventually get water logged. Foam In a duck boat of any brand is shit and always will be. |
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| Author: | 50fps [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:39 am ] |
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Once the surface is compromised on expanding foam it will absorb water. |
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| Author: | Curly [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:39 am ] |
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Makes sense thanks for the input guys. |
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| Author: | CypressCritter [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:46 am ] |
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The only way for flotation to be less of a waterlogging problem is to ensure it is the closed cell, not open cell. Which BTW closed cell cost more. |
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| Author: | BlueShamu [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
....and Giga should be chiming in right about now.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | brycecheramie [ Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:21 pm ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:49 pm ] |
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There is no cure for stupidity ---- or drowning your passengers ! ! ! Buy a hull with a USCG certification - if your worried about waterlogged foam change it out or buy a new hull every 10 years - works for me.... |
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| Author: | brycecheramie [ Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:58 pm ] |
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The foam God has spoken! But seriously.... Don't take your boat in conditions that it shouldn't be in, then you will be fine. |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:19 am ] |
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| Author: | brycecheramie [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:56 am ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:56 am ] |
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Situations ??? Like ice cold water or traveling thru water over 5 foot deep - in a hull that will not just capsize but sink like a stone in an instant and leave passengers swimming in an every man, woman, dog, and child for himself "situation".... There is a reason USCG floatation is required when manufacturers sell boats across state lines and in dealerships across the nation - personal safety 
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| Author: | dead animal [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
hey Gigafowl, if u want floatation in your boat, good for you. I don't. and don't give two sheets what u think. lol maybe you can go across America getting people to wear their seat belt or not to run around with sissors. Most snowflakes who get advice from this cesspool of a site deserve to drown anyway. |
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| Author: | Curly [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
So for argument sake when we are talking about the foam becoming saturated is it from just the everyday in and out of the boat bringing water in with your waders, or hunting in the rain and maybe leaving your boat out uncovered for rain to just pour in it with the plug not pulled? Are these the reasons boats become saturated? Vs one being in a shop/shed/garage? What is the real reasons for the water? And I while I was doing my research I came across an older post of someone saying that older excels had a bad problem with it, but the newer models dont it seems bc excel went to closed cell foam. Is this true? Does closed cell repel water off or something? Please educate me. Thanks guys. Don’t mean to stir the pot. |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
I think it is safe to say industry wide that the quality of floatation foam available now is far better than 20 years ago - no matter who made the hull... I have seen waterlogged foam in most hulls made long ago in the 1980s amd 1990s.... Under floor foam is cut from large blocks of foam and is the easiest to replace and should be replaced at 10 years.... If it is removed that area will build up with mud, trash and debris which could weigh quite a bit more than foam.... Other areas have sprayed in foam - a two part reaction occurs that if you don't do properly can give inconsistant expansion and quality... You can also read a lot about this type foam use in homes and problems when not installed properly... I would suggest you talk to the hull builder to ask then about how well their particular foam holds up as most have done a good bit of testing to determine the best type of foam to use in their new hulls.... Many builders will welcome a visit to their facility and answer such questions and show you chunks of foam they have kept under water or in gasoline and oil for years which are still viable and not waterlogged.... |
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| Author: | brycecheramie [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:27 pm ] |
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| Author: | meterman3 [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:41 pm ] |
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never knew of any one who sank a boat that thought there was a risk , fixed my gd foam future problem by vac packing in plastic |
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| Author: | Russ [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
I've known a few people that have sunk their boat that didn't think there was a risk, but the rest of us did, OR they got lazy because they never had a problem for 10 or 20 years, then one day they did. 2 didn't make it because no one was around, the rest were lucky it wasn't cold or had help nearby. can't fix stupid, you just hope you're around to help so nothing bad happens. Surprising enough, one of them did it last year, in a go devil boat that was 4 years old, and we had to drag it up from 4 feet of water since it didn't float. It was naturally buoyant at 4ft deep. The new foam has been tested and doesn't waterlog, though. Isn't that right, Giga? #CFFITR #TheGhostBoat #whoneedsphysicsihaveamudmotor |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
Russ, All foam is subject to fail with age.... It is very easy to replace though.... Many people remove foam from hulls - and that is their decision and right - I suspect the GD boat you spoke of had the rear floation box removed or the side floatation pods converted to storage.... Every good hull maker works to improve their designs and meet newer strickter USCG standards.... I just suggest folks think about safety when planning a boat purchase of a new or used hull.... |
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| Author: | BlueShamu [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:43 pm ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:11 pm ] |
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| Author: | brycecheramie [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:18 pm ] |
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| Author: | Curly [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:00 pm ] |
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If flotation is required from manufacturers then how does gatortail, Prodigy and gator trax sell without. Not sure about pro drive but I would guess not? How do theses guys get away with it and ship them out of state? |
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| Author: | brycecheramie [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:02 pm ] |
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| Author: | brycecheramie [ Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:05 pm ] |
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viewtopic.php?f=4&t=61746&start=0 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67636 |
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| Author: | BERNIE255 [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:19 am ] |
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| Author: | Russ [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:00 am ] |
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| Author: | CypressCritter [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:45 am ] |
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Commercial boats - "no foam required" vs recreational boats - floatation required due to well mostly to protect people from themselves!
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:42 am ] |
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What does a boat need to obtain a USCG floatation certification ? The maker must submit a test hull - it is loaded to max load capacity - then pressed underwater for 18 hours in a test tank - then it must float level at the surface with that max load.... |
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| Author: | Curly [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
Seen those posts Bryce. So in a nut shell the gator tail and the rest are selling until their expiration date is what I took from all of that. Do we know when they are looking to switch over timeline wise? |
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| Author: | Glade [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
Very soon this is going to be an extremely hot topic. about 2 years ago the USCG ended the "commercial" exemption. If a builder renewed there HIN just before the change they got a 5 year grace period to keep building boats without flotation. Those grace periods are sunsetting soon. The only exemption available currently is "basic flotation". this means when capsized, at least 1" of the boat must be floating out of the water. The State of LA, has been selling builders "home built" paperwork in unlimited quantities, but the USCG is putting an end to that. Within the next 2 years every hull under 20' will have to have at least Basic Flotation, or they are being sold illegally. |
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| Author: | Curly [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:49 am ] |
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That paints a clear picture thanks Glade. So when these manufactures switch over do you guys think they will be using the same closed cell as excel and others? Does closed cell eventually fail after many years eventually? |
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| Author: | Glade [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
When meeting the basic flotation requirement, depending on hull design, you usually don't need foam in the floor. That is usually where the water logging occurs. if the foam is up off the floor, it doesn't usually get too wet. |
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| Author: | DENNYEDWARDS [ Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
Have a friend who builds wooden boats and uses oil, bleach, milk jugs ATF jugs for floatation in his custom boats. Coast Guard approved this method on 22" Erie cannel boat he built two years ago. Every nook and cranny had some sort of sealed jug in it and under floor and in bow and side compartments. Have seen several sunken boats floating with nothing but stored life jackets holding them up. I carry five adult Sterns life jackets in my rig at all times, I think that would be enough to keep it afloat with out any foam. |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:01 am ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boat manufactures flotation |
Texas waterways sadly have 3 times the deaths of other states annually... I have known some of these families.... And for those who want a chart or statistics - see 2016 data below that while the greater percentage of incidents occur in summertime, the greater percentage of deaths occur in our hunting season ! . |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:37 am ] |
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More 2016 data... The greatest numbers of deaths (228) occured in "open motorboats" like our mudboats 90 people died from the boat flooding or swamping and 175 from capsizing Those not wearing a PFD were 5 times more likely to die . |
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| Author: | DENNYEDWARDS [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:46 am ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:58 am ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:16 pm ] |
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Well - what about those facts and figures ??? |
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