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naughty
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Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:04 pm Posts: 8
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 PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
Have a 32 hp PRODRIVE,W/FPR,motor runs great,but prop cavitates bad..My partners tell me it sounds like a top fuel dragster,but it moves the boat like a chevy chevette!!!We operate at 3500 ft of elevation,and my boat is a 16x52,ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:14 pm |
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darrel from meraux
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Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:31 pm Posts: 584 Location: Meraux, LA
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
well to eliminate the cavitation just trim up to your top speed trim up a little more to cavitation first starts then trim back down a bump or two. Your probably just running it a little to high. You mention your partners so im assuming your running 3 in a 1652 with a 32 add the fact that your losing speeds because of prop cavitation and your 2-4 mph slower that optimal. Check your rpm's and post. And what speeds you getting, where are they lacking wholeshot or top speeds?
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:27 pm |
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naughty
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
have tried doing all of that..it doesn`t matter how many people,or how much weight. My top rpms are 3750+
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:32 pm |
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darrel from meraux
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
how worn is your prop iv seen them work down so bad they cavitate much more than unworn props. Seems to me the cavitation can only be linked to the prop, buy or try a new one. your rpm's are good but you say your speeds bad it has to be the prop. even a slight bit of wear will greatly reduce your speed and bump and grind.
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:51 pm |
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JBREAUX
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:12 pm Posts: 412 Location: soufff la
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
what do you mean its "cavitating"? The prop is meant to run half out the water. What is your speed?
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:21 pm |
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JD
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Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:54 am Posts: 563
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:57 pm |
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naughty
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Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:04 pm Posts: 8
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
When I say cavitating,I mean that thru the entire rpm range,the prop never gets a good solid bite,no matter what it`s relationship to water depth,or trim position. It`s been this way ever since this motor was brand new.When I purchased this motor I was hoping for some crazy performance,but have been disappointed from the get. I`ve had this motor for 3 years,and have only got 32 hours on it,due to the fact that it just wants to sit in the water and scream.....Does anybody make a aftermarket alternative prop??Was also wondering if a trim-lift plate like on my bass boat would help??
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:21 am |
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Gigafowl
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:19 pm Posts: 6441 Location: Trinity Bay - Texas
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
Trim lift plates belong on a bass boat - not a mud boat.
Start over by telling about your boat and the loads and speeds you are getting at a particular RPM.
Sounds like you got the rig whole used and are still on whatever prop you started with. It was likely worn down before you got the rig. That way you can get good advise on what prop to buy - or - what to have done to yours at a prop rebuilding shop.
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:44 am |
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River
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:34 am Posts: 1092 Location: Unaffiliated, SETX group has caused me to renounce my Texas Citizenship
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:27 am |
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naughty
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
NO,NO,NO....had the boat for years,and upgraded to prodrive from a beavertail 24 longshaft....As far as test driving,these guys out west barely know what a prodrive is,if it wasn`t for magazine ads,they wouldn`t.So finding one to try is pretty much out of the question.I was getting better perf from my old beavertail.Since I put this 32 on[brand new from factory]it`s such a pain to drive,and thats the reason the motor only has 32 hours on it..the engine runs great,it just doesn`t hook up.... Prop shop;whatever. I live in the middle of the nevada desert.These guys think a prop is something on a cropduster. Thats why I came on this topic board!
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POKER1
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:02 pm Posts: 6243 Location: Bossier City
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
What kinda of hull? What size? What shape is it in? What loads do you carry? As stated you need to go into more detail if you want long distance help.
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:23 am |
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darrel from meraux
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Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:31 pm Posts: 584 Location: Meraux, LA
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
if i remember correctly pd's dont use an angled transom and im almost willing to bet your boat is angled. Might simply be traced to mismatching components. When i got my gt it was on a unangled transom boat and he was actually complaining of the same problem. Id try prop, make sure of no operator error and check hull and im willing to bet it's one of the 3. Prop especially.
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:51 am |
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POKER1
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:02 pm Posts: 6243 Location: Bossier City
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
Something ain't right cause a PD is way better driving than any longtail. It should drive pretty similar to an outboard. If its been that way since the motor was new then I doubt its the prop. More likely your hull & setup. Best bet would be to show some pics of the rig.
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:39 pm |
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little rascal
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
are you running a short transom motor on a tall transom boat? Or possibly a longshaft motor on a short transom boat??
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:37 pm |
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naughty
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
The boat is a 16x52 sea nymph,with a slanted high transom.The reason the beavertail was better,is it had power right off the bottom end of the rpm range,but this pd just wants to sit and scream.. Thought that the prop was the problem,just looking to find aftermarket prop,and go from there....
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:37 pm |
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Gigafowl
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:19 pm Posts: 6441 Location: Trinity Bay - Texas
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
OK - boat is high transom what about motor ???
Look closely at the silver shaft extension. That is a conversion kit from short shaft to long shaft.
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deltaduckmaster
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:14 pm |
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naughty
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I have the long shaft model...Got with KP @ pd,when purchased motor..
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Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:07 am |
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River
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
If that photo that Giga posted is your boat I can almost guaranty 100% that you have a transom issue.
It appears on the pic that the transom has some pretty good angle to it and that does not allow you to trim properly.
Measure Transom angle, call KP and tell him what angle it is and have them send you a different roller so you can adjust your trim.
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Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:57 am |
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Gigafowl
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:19 pm Posts: 6441 Location: Trinity Bay - Texas
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
Naughty,
What about speeds, RPMs, and load factors ?
Are you getting 27mph or 17mph at WOT and 3800 RPMs - for example. You gotta give more info to get good help. Maybe some pics too.
PS - that pic was from "whackem" and his new rig - just used it because the conversion kit was so visable in the picture
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Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:08 am |
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BROOKS
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:46 pm Posts: 4596 Location: East TEXAN Proud
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I thank yore problem is with the SeaNympth boat hull. Can be a brand new boathull ... but the surfacedrive MudMotorMachineThang is not gonna run properly on that hull. I don't no the exact hydrodynamical reason fo the failure in performance ...... but I do no it ain't gonna run fo crap with that style of boathull !!! Solution ~ Put a normal outboard .... mabe a 25hp on yore SeaNymph and git you a compatable boathull fo yore 32hp Pro-Drive MudMotorMachineThang !!!! 
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Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:50 pm |
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POKER1
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:02 pm Posts: 6243 Location: Bossier City
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Isn't a Sea Nymph a deep-v style hull?
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Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:03 pm |
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naughty
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it`s a flat bottom jon...
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deadbird8
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
Measure your transom height and angle and post them, pictures help alot. These guys are trying to help you.
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Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:17 pm |
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Gigafowl
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
So far been like pullin eggs outa a rooster to get details...
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Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:19 pm |
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POKER1
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
_________________ 18x48 Charles Leonard / 36PD
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Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:23 pm |
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darrel from meraux
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Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:31 pm Posts: 584 Location: Meraux, LA
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
i still dont recall seeing a top speed posted.. he'll probably say 27 then this whole thread wouldave been a waste..
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Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:21 pm |
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quackconsumer
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
I think if you were to post some good pics of your rig we could help you out better.
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:11 am |
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naughty
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
will post pics asap!!
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:26 pm |
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JBREAUX
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T-mac
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I think this is a brentfonty type person that has a better grasp on english and ya'll are on the hook....just my .02
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Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:42 pm |
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dog walker
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dead animal
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
mismatch transom/motor. might need bigger roller. either way ity's a easy fix. 
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Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:50 pm |
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n.o.yat
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 Re: PRODRIVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES,NEED HELP BAD....
may i ask what is a roller?
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dead animal
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muddiejeep
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stumpgrinder
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drakedownoutfitters
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im thinkin get insurance on the rig sink it go get you another rig a to hell with the little shit
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