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Thanks for any info!

Peck will send you instructions. If he doesn't call and he'll email them to you. Don't freak out..

Not sure why I post here anymore, doesn't seem to get the interaction it use too... But I'll keep posting and taking pics, maybe it will help the next guy out. Just pulled the plug for a second time and my foot oil actually looked good... Which is odd, since just a few days ago when running it I had white/tan fluid blowing up from below the clutch housing.IMAG0218.jpg

But now draining it and getting ready to replace bottom plug and this is what I get...IMAG0230.jpg

Caramel colored gear oil... Almost identical as when I put it in... Not sure what my issue is now, I'm a little confused. None the less, I'll proceed.

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Okie dokie... Here we are with prop off after some good ole PB. Now I believe I'm looking at the prop bushing? Doesn't exactly line up on the PD manual, but all I have is an 08 edition. Any input on getting this thing off is appreciated. Thanks in advance. IMAG0233.jpgIMAG0237.jpg

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Is it not split on one side? It looks fucked...or like it's a create your own deal.

If it is split, just put a pry bar in the gap and open it up, and it should slide right off. If it's what's supposed to be there, it is not threaded and should not be terribly hard to get off. It actually usually comes off with the prop and is kind of a pita to get out of there, but I've not had one stuck on the shaft before. If you start unscrewing the seal, it may push it off too.

Not real sure what that allen head bolt is right above there either. Don't believe I've ever seen that before.

CB, for what it's worth peck said this was the 8th mud motor he ever let out the shop... So I'm sure this thing has many pre-tested flaws and designs unfortunately. I've finally made it to the inner bearing and may have some bad news... As much as I want to say it's just all old grease/oil, I think there might be small metal shavings inside the housing... Maybe I'm wrong?

Back on the bushing, yes... I'm assuming it was home made. No slit, just a machined aluminum sleeve that slides right in behind the main nut/seal... I've got to wait until I can get some marine grade ant seize so it will be tomorrow before I proceed. But I'm a little confused on the seal peck sent me... I didn't pull one off, and I'm a little confused on how everything goes back on... IMAG0252.jpgIMAG0248.jpgIMAG0241.jpg

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Here's that sleeve I was talking about...

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Believe that small seal is gonna go in against the bearing, then you just thread the other right back in there.

It does look like you may have some wear on the shaft. If that is the case, you can replace all the seals you want, but it will never seal completely.

Not sure what all that shit on the floor is.

On the metal you're worried about, clean out the threads and have a look man... If there's enough meat left, there's enough meat left. If not...

Did he send you a new prop bushing? I would not re-use that thing. Order one if you didn't get one.

I've checked for play with the shaft, and there is very minimum. Less then I've read some people mention they have had. The stuff on the floor is oil absorber from previous project. I'm debating leaving everything apart and waiting to call peck Monday... Not sure what my next step is or how much I'm chancing.

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No he didn't.... Another reason I suppose I need to wait.

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The prop bushing wouldn't prevent you from putting the rest back together. Just don't put the prop back on.

I honestly haven't had to tear one apart yet man. My pops has replaced the seal in his once or twice, but I've been lucky so far. I'm about to dig in to one to swap a bearing, but haven't messed with it yet. I'd shoot those pics to Peck's email. Maybe Owen or Preston will chime in here in a bit. They've had a bunch of these apart and will be more help than me.

I'm not saying the shaft is worn at the bearing, can't really see that well in that area. I was talking about where the seal goes, and if it's worn there, you're gonna need to change it while you're in there. I'm not real sure what the tolerance there is, but it looks like it's got some grooves. I'm not thinkin that's a good thing.

I think for most, a seal change is pretty straight forward. That's why there isn't much chatter or pics of the process.

Good news is, if the shaft is worn, I believe you can swap it. I know you can buy a shaft for the gen 2's, and don't think they were terribly expensive either. Get with Peck, or maybe one of the "service center" guys will chime in and get you sorted out. Hopefully all you need is a new prop bushing, but I wouldn't slap it back together until I was a little more confident on the condition of that shaft.

Well, I tried cleaning the shaft up this morning with some sand paper and it did help, but there is still a distinct pitted line that almost goes around the whole shaft. I'm going to hold off for today and get a hold of peck tomorrow morning and get his suggestions. On a side note, I put the new seal over the shaft... And I'm pretty sure it's the wrong seal? Unless it's supposed to be compressed by the prop and prop bushing? There's at least a good cm or 2 of gap between it and the shaft when it's on there...

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Blueshamu, I received your personal message with the link. However, the link isn't working for me... It goes to a page that says "404 ERROR". I tried messaging you back, but it says you have selected to not receive personal messages. Mind trying to post that link here, or directions how to get to it?

Thanks.

Well...

Just got off the phone with Peck, and I'm not too excited.

I sent him a picture of the shaft, and he said it didn't look too bad to him... BUT, I don't have any other option as he doesn't have those shafts anymore and doesn't know if he could find one. At that point, my best option would be to purchase a whole new drive unit, $2,000 later.

He did say though, that the new prop seal has three seals now, where as the older style I had only had 2. (Positive thinking)

As for the misc. seal I didn't know where it went, its because its the top seal! lol, duh.

So I'm sending him my prop and old bushing today for him to build me a new one (with seal), and within the next few days pull the power head, clutch assembly and spline adapter to replace that top seal. I'm really hoping the top seal is fried, and thats where my problem lies...

On a side note... what can I do to save the remaining life on my shaft!? I really don't want to lose this whole drive unit based on one part... So whatever I can do to save and prevent the rest of it would be great.

I'll get back with y'all in a few days.

Ok, I had two other threads goin getting help from you folks. I'm going to continue on this one since its in the lower until section. I'll include those links at the end if anyone wants the info off those. So I purchased both bottom and top seal along with the prop bushing. I went ahead and pulled the power head and lower unit tonight. It wasn't no where near as bad as people said. However, I broke one of the springs inside the lower seal. I was wondering if I could use the one in the old seal to make it work?

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Just wanted to inform y'all, I think the seals fixed my leaks. I've only tested it once for about a hour and a half. But in that riding no oil from below the clutch assembly or off the tower housing. I will feel better after a few more trips, but all is looking good.

Someone off here texted me about having a drive shaft built.. it was very reasonable and I still want to save your number in case I need to go that route in the future.. so if you could message me or text me please. Thanks MMT for all the help. Hello brim season!

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Sorry man, just seeing this thread. I have an 07' PD which came with the 2 seal nut. I actually sent him my old prop seal nut and he swapped it out free of charge with the newer 3 seal prop nut. Mine did the same thing. had milky oil and grease coming out under the clutch. Now to help with that, on top of the lower unit shaft is a hole or vent. I was having water issues again. Mine actually have a vent tube screwed into it and some of the newer units had a flexible hose to vent. I actually plugged mine with a pipe plug and never looked back. Now it the upper seal blows or goes bad, it won't spew grease around the clutch, it will ooze out the lower section.

Yes you do have a vent, just not the vent tube. The above pice with the splined shaft facing outward. Look at the middle of the shaft. It's hollow. There is a hole that goes from the gearbox through the shaft and vents to around the clutch. That hole is threaded. I plugged mine with a brass plug, I believe it's 1/8" NPT but not sure. But get the thread size, Teflon it and plug the shaft hole.

You'll know if your seals are shot because it will come out by the clutch again. If seals are good, you won't see anything. Now if you had plugged that hole and the lower seals blew, the upper seal would catch most of it. But if the upper didn't catch it, it would come out by the the bottom part of the tower where the lower unit slides up in it. Much easier to clean up that that shit running down the engine mounting plate.