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Newbie here to MMT. Glad I found it!

My wife has given me the green light to purchase a Prodrive for fishing/hunting. My brother has two PD rigs, both with 36 HP...one a Kohler the other a Vanguard. The Kohler is on a 17x52? rig built by Sportsman's Fabrication in Morgan City (behind Ivy's). It has tiller steer, hydraulic tilt/reverse and runs forever on a tank of gas. (Speaking from experience since I borrow it when I come to town) The hull seems very heavy and stout. But, basically it's an open boat except for the driver seat, front deck, and two short side storage boxes behind the front deck.

His other is a ProDrive 17x54 center console, rigged out to the tee with trolling motor, gun box, blah, blah, blah...with the Vanguard. He says the Vanguard gets half the fuel economy of the Kohler. I'm sure he's stretching it a bit with "half."

I plan to fish and duck hunt. I would prefer the "comfort" of the CC for fishing but am wondering if the hull has anything to do with the fuel economy vs. the motor? Has anybody experienced fuel economy difference between the two motors on the same boat? I keep reading about the "tall transom" in other posts. What will get me through the skinniest waters(or lack of water) with the best fuel economy?

Any suggestions, thoughts, ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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Oh yeah...before anybody suggests it...I hate to keep borrowing his boats!
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the kohler does get better fuel if you are comparing hp to hp

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If you want a rig that gets you everywhere your barking up the wrong tree!! Lol unlike your brother be smart and get one boat that does it all get your self a GATOR-TAIL!!!

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I'm sure asking "what brand motor is the best" is like asking "which brand truck is the best."

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wait for the new mb sport put it on a pd cc < somebody was going to say it > lol

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For what it's worth, I have been pleased with my Phowler 1852 powered by stock 36 HP Prodrive. You should include this brand of boats in your research. Phowler will customize any design you want, i.e., console / remote steer, etc.

As for fuel economy, my tip for you would be to resist filling the boat up with heavy custom accessories like boxes. Those will cut into useable floor space, slow you down and cut into fuel economy.

On your first custom built boat you will want to build everything but the kitchen sink into it. I am now on my fourth boat and I've got it down to a bare and simple layout.


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Think a little :roll:

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Damn Jimmy, I don't know how you would get by without emoticons.


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Is your brother's 36 one of the new marine powerheads? I had a CC boat like his, and noticed a difference in fuel economy when I went to CC. Couldn't tell you why, but I will say this, I'd much rather burn a few extra gallons and have a center console.

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If you want a rig that gets you everywhere your barking up the wrong tree!! Lol unlike your brother be smart and get one boat that does it all get your self a GATOR-TAIL!!!


Grow the fuck up Terry. The man has a specific question.

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deltaduckmaster wrote:
If you want a rig that gets you everywhere your barking up the wrong tree!! Lol unlike your brother be smart and get one boat that does it all get your self a GATOR-TAIL!!!


Grow the fuck up Terry. The man has a specific question.


Crews go fuck your self!!

Dude these things run all day on 6 gallons of gas hell if your worried about $10 of gas maybe you need to reconsider about spending 15 grand or more on a toy!! My .02

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At least you're on topic with the last statement :lol:

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Crews you can still go fuck yourself!!

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Post Re: Help Me Pick a Boat/Prodrive Combo!
Brother's CC is definetly all new...had it built probably around October?

As for the cost of fuel...I drive a 16 mpg diesel pickup truck 34 miles each way to work five days a week....and work for an oil refiner. Top that off with a 400 mile round trip drive twice every other weekend so my stepkids can visit their dad. So, I spend some people's monthly income on fuel, already. If you want to burn more fuel, please do. It will increase my bonus every year.

I was seriously impressed with the fuel economy his Kohler gets. My wife and I fished/rode around all day in Dulac/Cocodrie area and burned less than 3 gallons of gas. Not really worried about the fuel economy other than if there is something in a hull design that will greatly benefit fuel economy, I'll take it....ergo a Sportsman's Fab hull vs. a Prodrive hull?

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Damn Jimmy, I don't know how you would get by without emoticons.
You sure your not related to giga and robin?

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In any instance, I never could decide if it had something to do with the remote throttle or the new powerhead that turns higher rpm's..... But I did notice my CC boat burned more gas. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if a console fits your needs, it's well worth burning a few extra gallons.

But I really don't think it would have anything to do with the actual hull design.

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In any instance, the fuel consumption is still better than an equally rated HP normal outboard motor.

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So what about hull width and length? 54" wide? 60" wide? 17' length? 18' length? Sides and transom height? What should I be looking to get? What are the advantages/disadvantages of the differences?

Thanks to all that are being patient with me and providing some relavent info. Don't want to jump into this without doing some homework...I'm sure I'm looking at a $20K+ investment between boat, motor, trailer, and options.

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If it were me, I'd either get a 17x54 or a 18x48. Lots of folks have both of those sizes and are happy with them To me, 60" is a little too wide for a single motor, but there are people that have 60" wide boats with a single motor and they are happy with it.

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all kidding aside I love my 18x54 runs 27 all day long and its a cc with a 36 with all the bells

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I've got an 09 Prodrive 17x54...im gonna add a hunt deck....for ease of getting in boat and as a wake buffer......one of the things you may want to consider.

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For what it's worth, I have been pleased with my Phowler 1852 powered by stock 36 HP Prodrive. You should include this brand of boats in your research. Phowler will customize any design you want, i.e., console / remote steer, etc.

As for fuel economy, my tip for you would be to resist filling the boat up with heavy custom accessories like boxes. Those will cut into useable floor space, slow you down and cut into fuel economy.

On your first custom built boat you will want to build everything but the kitchen sink into it. I am now on my fourth boat and I've got it down to a bare and simple layout.


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I love my phowler. If you don't mind going to Iowa to pick one up (you didn't say where you are located).

I will admit that I am probably going to mod my prodrive before next hunting season, though. I have a 1760 with front deck and gunbox. When you've got 3 or 4 guys and a buttload of decoys, some more power would be nice.


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1854 with 36pd is a good combo.plenty of room and carry's a load good.

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Lots of folks like 54" wide boats. My favorite is a 18x48 because it turns a tiny bit better.

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I hear that,take's alittle getting used to those square chine's.

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I hear that,take's alittle getting used to those square chine's.


Which boat you referring to with a square chine? There's another question to ask myself...tapered or square chine? Dangit! I think I am sold on the 54" bottom. Still don't know about length..17' or 18'? I will probably go with the CC. Would like some form of dry storage and guess I would prefer that to be in the form of beneath the front deck vs. the gun box or rod box...I think. My brother's Sportsman's Fab hull has what I guess you are calling a tapered chine...basically a press break down most of the length of the sides? I haven't seen his PD hull up close, yet. Don't know how it is made. His SF hull has several spud holes and a lot of "accessory" holes for mounting bowfishing deck, poling platform, deer stand, duck blind frame...whatever you can imagine. I like having those versatile options if I ever wanted to go down those roads....errr...waters.

To answer where we live...North MS, near Memphis. But we do PLENTY of driving back and forth to South LA. Originally from Stephensville, wife's from Houma.

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Like the dry storage up front with the fixed fuel tank. Don't like the two storage boxes which come down each side from front. Don't like the location of the pedestal seat base..too close to bow. Maybe should have been mounted on the dry storage lid? When fishing from the pedestal seat and working the trolling motor, I feel like I'm about to fall off the front of the boat.
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pd does not do square chine any more they do a taper now

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That SF hull looks very heavy with all of those boxes in it. Trust me, having all of your stuff tucked away in boxes is highly overrated for what it costs you in weight / speed. I have a single gun box on my boat that contains tools, life jackets, and misc. I put my guns in a Mud Buddy Splash gun case / sleeve which is considerably lighter than having a second gun box.

Our typical hunt load consists of two layout blinds, two dogs, 4-5 dz duck decoys, 6 to 24 goose floaters / fullbodies and two guys. I like the open floorplan myself.

As for hull size, I have owned five 18' length boats in 44", 50", 52" and 54" widths. I am torn between the 1852/1854 for load carrying and the 1848 for speed. If your loads are lighter, go 1848. If you tend to want to carry everything but the kitchen sink (like me) you should put more hull on the water to carry the load.

One more thing. I have had the opportunity to run two different identical boats, powered the same, in 18' and 20' lengths. In both cases, the 20 footers planed out faster and ended up running just as fast as the 18 footers, if not faster. Length can be your friend. I might well be running a 2048 if I had the room to put it in my garage.

Food for thought.


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To answer where we live...North MS, near Memphis. But we do PLENTY of driving back and forth to South LA. Originally from Stephensville, wife's from Houma.
If you live near Memphis and just for kicks want to see a Phowler boat you should pm cutt down. He runs Phowlers and lives near Memphis.


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No one else has mentioned this but don't think he has a 36 Kohler and a 36 Vanguard PD.

I don't believe Kohler makes a 36. The Kohler PD is a 27.

As far as gas consumption goes, you aren't comparing apples to apples. Those are two different motors on two different boats.

You even note the PD boat with the 36 is a cc (more weight), gun boxes etc... that is a heavy boat with a bigger motor. Of course it will be more gas.

You have to factor boat weight, load in boat, size of motor, mod's to motor, etc to actually make any sort of comparison as to gas mileage. Weight of boat can be effected by many factors including the thickness of the aluminum to make it, size, options in the boat.

You also did not address how it was driven. Driving a boat wide open all day vs cruising around at half to 3/4 throttle can make a difference as well. Bottom line is you aren't comparing apples to apples.

I think what Crews is saying is pick out the boat that meets your needs the best. Speed, load handling capabilities, comfort, cost, etc... and just buy it. The gas consumption difference overall will be insignificant.

The other point being made is that after going thru a few boats most people have learned all the extra storage boxes and stuff just clutter up the boat, add more weight to boat (thus effecting performance), and cause you to carry a bunch of crap you don't really need (more weight in boat). These motor and boat combos are extremely sensitive to weight and weight distribution (very very important). They do not perform like an outboard. It takes a while to learn that.

As far as an all around boat goes, the 18X48 PD cc is a great way to go. Get the hyrdo trim and reverse if the budget allows.

As far as the boat itself goes, either a custom boat from one of the custom "mud boat" builders (Garret Pearce builds a really nice boat) on here or the PD boat.

Good luck on your choice. Do your reserch (a lot of research-use the search feature) and you will be happy...


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BlueShamu wrote:
radikkle wrote:
I hear that,take's alittle getting used to those square chine's.


Which boat you referring to with a square chine? There's another question to ask myself...tapered or square chine? Dangit! I think I am sold on the 54" bottom. Still don't know about length..17' or 18'? I will probably go with the CC. Would like some form of dry storage and guess I would prefer that to be in the form of beneath the front deck vs. the gun box or rod box...I think. My brother's Sportsman's Fab hull has what I guess you are calling a tapered chine...basically a press break down most of the length of the sides? I haven't seen his PD hull up close, yet. Don't know how it is made. His SF hull has several spud holes and a lot of "accessory" holes for mounting bowfishing deck, poling platform, deer stand, duck blind frame...whatever you can imagine. I like having those versatile options if I ever wanted to go down those roads....errr...waters.

To answer where we live...North MS, near Memphis. But we do PLENTY of driving back and forth to South LA. Originally from Stephensville, wife's from Houma.

mine is square chine.thats all they were building in 09 i wanted a tapered.

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