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Author:  Will [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:34 am ]
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I thought this was interesting, never knew there was that much land in Lower Louisana 80 years ago...

http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/image/ ... since-1932
Author:  lunacris [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:17 am ]
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sad fact. i lost at least 16ft in some places on my land after Isaac.

these clowns in washington need to fund our barrier systems before its unfixable.

most of the citizens were once louisianians, just to dumb to remember

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Author:  CLICKSTER [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:24 am ]
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Is there a map of the texas coast like that? i would love to see my area back then and what it use to look like.
Author:  TX Aggie '06 [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:24 am ]
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Unlevee the Mississippi. That is the only permanent fix.

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Author:  SwampSlut [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:29 am ]
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Author:  MALLARDSX2 [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:32 am ]
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I sure was surprised how much water surrounded me when I was down at the Gator-Tail shop. That state has some serious "wetlands".
Author:  lunacris [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:47 am ]
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Author:  duckduckboom [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:58 am ]
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It's looks like our best alternative is breaks in the levee like at canarvon. Hopefully this will slow salt water intrusion. It's amazing what I remember how different it looked 10 years ago. It's rather sad every time I go back out into the bays and see how much it changes each year.
Author:  TX Aggie '06 [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:58 am ]
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Author:  cmiller73 [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:15 am ]
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Imagine what it was like back in the late 1800s or earlier. The taming of the Mississippi contributed alot. The dam in Donaldsonville needs to be reopened to allow more fresh water and sediments down Bayou Lafourche. Diversions need to be added to the west of Lafourche to direct those waters towards lower Terrebonne. Bayou Terrebonne needs more water flowing south to rebuild the south Terrebonne areas. The Bayou Terr. in Gray/Schreiver is nothing more than a ditch and has about 1' of water in it.
Author:  Jamie B. [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:26 am ]
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Author:  Jamie B. [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:28 am ]
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The Dam in Donaldsonville is supposed to be reopend in the next couple of years. They are digging the bayous around my house 30' deep to allow for the mass of water that will be coming through. They are digging the path to route the water through Lake Fields down to the intercoastal.
Author:  duckduckboom [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:35 am ]
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Te end of bayou terrebonne is about a foot of water run down it and look at all the banks that are gone now. They are also supposed to re route some water through from the intercostal into lake Boudreaux. Lake Boudreaux, I think, has a bright future in regards of bass fishing.
Author:  cut'em94 [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:49 am ]
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I've been going to Grand Isle since I was a kid, and I can literally see the marsh dying and disappearing from year to year. Its pretty sad.
Author:  VooDoo Daddy [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:50 am ]
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Author:  VooDoo Daddy [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:54 am ]
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Author:  Jamie B. [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:58 am ]
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I don't know the finalized outcome of the process, but it was supposed to be locks and all of the weirs were supposed to be removed. I do live on the bayou and it will be great for the fishing, it has already started to produce some better fishing. The way the dug the canals is great, they are leaving areas for staging fish and spawing fish. The canals have 3 different shelfs off the banks.
Author:  cmiller73 [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:03 am ]
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The big issue is the residents along the bayou don't want to give up the bature or whatever it's called. They have docks and gazebos all along the bayou. If more water is allowed to flow out of D'ville, all these peoples' docks, gazebos and whatever is at the bottom of the bank will be gone. This was an issue I heard about a year or so ago.

Also another big issue would be the rise of water in South Lafource areas. The bayou is right there already.

They would have to make some diversions off Bayou Laforuche to have a big impact. It can be done.
Author:  lunacris [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:15 am ]
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anyway you look at it, its going to be give and take. sad realization.
Author:  lunacris [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:26 am ]
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This screen shot says it all



I was in the boat in what used to be land as you guys can see. one storms work
Author:  BradS [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:10 am ]
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1 fight man will never win --- The battle to control water -- Man has never done ANYTHING to help the land -- its always to help the people
Author:  naj [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:12 am ]
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All you have to do is take a ride in the Barataria Basin then take a cruise down the Atchafalia Basin and you will see the difference.

I grew up in Lafourche and Grand Isle and have seen the effects of subsidence. Its the wet sponge effect. No water to keep the sponge saturated has made the land sink. This in turn lets the saltwater intrude the roots of marsh grass and they die. The land follows it. I can show you places in Golden Meadow where there are 2 docks under the existing docks that ate there now. 50 years ago the lower dock was a few feet out of the water and now its 3 to 4 feet under.

On the other hand the Atchafalia Delta is one of the most health area I have ever seen in South Louisiana. Its a true Paradise.

True shame what the government has done to make New Orleans a Large vessel port and the City for the Democrats.
Author:  naj [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:13 am ]
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All you have to do is take a ride in the Barataria Basin then take a cruise down the Atchafalia Basin and you will see the difference.

I grew up in Lafourche and Grand Isle and have seen the effects of subsidence. Its the wet sponge effect. No water to keep the sponge saturated has made the land sink. This in turn lets the saltwater intrude the roots of marsh grass and they die. The land follows it. I can show you places in Golden Meadow where there are 2 docks under the existing docks that ate there now. 50 years ago the lower dock was a few feet out of the water and now its 3 to 4 feet under.

On the other hand the Atchafalia Delta is one of the most health area I have ever seen in South Louisiana. Its a true Paradise.

True shame what the government has done to make New Orleans a Large vessel port and the City for the Democrats.
Author:  Kmoppert [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:29 am ]
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The nutria problem is a major player in erosion as well. The candle is burning at both ends when you factor nutria and lack of sedimentation. I've seen islands and parts of my marsh disappear in one year because of nutria alone.
Author:  lunacris [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:34 pm ]
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one day they will have helped man so much that there wont be any land, then my friends we're all fucked.

if you act now and buy property on the southern state lines of Arkansas and Oklahoma, you will have water front, gulf coast property for the children and grandchildren one day.
Author:  latravcha [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:18 pm ]
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I flew over raccoon point yesterday and they are pumping sand to build up the islands. The problem is this is too little too late.

Five years ago you could run Bayou Terrebonne out into Lake Barre. Now it is all silted up and you have to cut across into Bay La Fleur to get out of Bayou Terr to head south. I think most of what caused the silting of Bayou Terre was the flood protection levees that they have ran across from Dularge, PAC all the way down to Cocodrie. These projects started about 4 or 5 years ago.

As far as Bayou Lafourche goes from what I have been told they are installing additional pumps to raise the level of the bayou about two feet. I have been told that they are doing this more because the level of the bayou is so low and it has silted so much that the towns on the Bayou that depend on it for its water supply can’t get quality water. There is no way that they would allow a full flow. Just think of all the bridges that cross between 308 and Hwy 1. There is no way that they would pay to raise all of the bridges.

If you want to see how much of the marsh we are losing get you a NOAA from 15 years ago and compare it to one from today. Hell The GPS on by bay boat is from 2006 and just about everywhere I go in the marsh it shows me running across ground.
Author:  Jamie B. [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:00 pm ]
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As far as Bayou Lafourche goes from what I have been told they are installing additional pumps to raise the level of the bayou about two feet. I have been told that they are doing this more because the level of the bayou is so low and it has silted so much that the towns on the Bayou that depend on it for its water supply can’t get quality water. There is no way that they would allow a full flow. Just think of all the bridges that cross between 308 and Hwy 1. There is no way that they would pay to raise all of the bridges. quote

This pump enlargement make no sense as to what they are doing with the canals off Bayou Lafourche. There would not be a need to bring all the canals from 5' of depth to 30' depth if they were only adding 2' of water to Bayou Lafourche. The dredging personal stated that it was for a redirection of flow coming from Bayou Lafourche through lake fields into the intercostal, now is this correct, only time will tell. I have been hearing talk about removing the dam in D-ville and this was stated to us for the reason of the dredging.
Author:  Jamie B. [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:05 pm ]
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We have had most of the levee's built up around our houses for this directional flow change. They have added an additional 30 yards width of backbone to our levee systems. I just don't see that being for 2 ' of additonal flow from Bayou Lafourche. They are talking of taking the Locks out of Theriot canal for this change.
Author:  Lucyfabre [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:41 pm ]
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Those of you who rode point au barre road were riding in what was high cattle pasture just 40 years ago. My dad used to rabbit and dove hunt all of the what is now (billy goat bay) open shallow bay. Just in my 32 years on earth I have seen lakes form where there used to be hug oaks and large stretches of hard earth. We are loosing our land and our culture in sola, and it unfortunately has not been remedied soon enough. I pray my daughter and I can at least still hunt little lake and wonder lake during our lives.
Author:  Z71v2.0 [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:26 pm ]
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Author:  dog walker [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:48 pm ]
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Well I personally feel the diversion project in caernarvon did more harm than good. Before the diversion that entire area looked very different. I watched that area change and I thought it was a change for the better. After seeing what the hurricanes and tropical storms have done I believe I was wrong.

If you see areas that the fresh water didn't change the flora to fresh water growth they seem to have survived better. The areas the diversion affected have almost been washed away completely. I can run a boat from scaresdale to Reggio and run almost all open water that used to be land. Look at how much land the caernarvon/Delacroix area lost compared to Hopedale and its amazing.

The problem with the diversion is there isn't the sediment deposits building land. The recent storms have silted in some areas but its still open water.
Author:  BradS [ Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:17 pm ]
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I remember as a kid we would go to Grand Terre and camp on the beach (Friends dad was with WLF) Hell now just about the whole fort is in the water
Author:  da go get'er [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:56 pm ]
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Watch the videos. http://lacoast.gov/new/Pubs/videos.aspx
Author:  da go get'er [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:00 pm ]
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follow link this link to see all Coastal restoration projects in Louisiana. http://lacoast.gov/new/Projects/List.aspx
Author:  da go get'er [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:07 pm ]
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Author:  da go get'er [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:07 pm ]
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Author:  da go get'er [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:32 pm ]
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Author:  da go get'er [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:35 pm ]
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Author:  da go get'er [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:59 pm ]
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What's desturbing to me is the depopulation of South La due to the Gov't. Prime example that most of us can relate to. Just recently FEMA downgraded certian levees around the state which will cause higher issurance rates. There are huge houses just recently buiilt that were in a non-flood zone that are now in flood zones of high risk due to this downgrade. So what happens is now the banks require these people to buy flood insurance which is something like $8,000 per year for the first $150,000 and increase the more a home is worth (obviously). So what happens to the people that have paid 10 years of there mortgage and still have 20 years left to go on it? They now have $8000 more to come up with in a years time to pay the insurance. I suspect if no plans to build these levees up to the new code these people will quietly transfer all thier assest to a trusted friend and then file for bankruptcy. Now you have a house that won't sell due to the high rate flood insurance and then overtime south La becomes a real skeleton of what it once was. With fewer people living in south La the less reason there is to spend money to restore it.
Author:  flatboat [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:25 pm ]
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