Thought I would get your guys opinion on this.

So the other day as I was eating lunch a few of the hourly shop guys were finishing eating I noticed the one guy not punch back in after break. So I decieded to look at his time card. (I regularly do payroll and watch over operations/sales calls and work in the shop when its busy and something need to go asap when the boss is out of town which he is this week.) So its not like it was unwarranted spying on an employee. So it turns out he had punched in 10 mins prior and then sat back down before going back to work. The the next day just curious I though I would see if he was pulling the same thing he punched out at 1 went to eat and didn't return back to work until 2:05. Looking at his time card he punched back in a 1:34. So I am pissed so I wrote on his time card lunch till 2 as a reminder for me during payroll and to him to stop pulling his shit. So now he has a shitty attitude toward me and he bitching about it to another employee how its BS I would do something like when other people get away with stuff such as BSing/socializing with others in the shop while on the clock ect. We are a small family company and have a pretty laid back shop there isn't a big issue with being off task a little here and there as long as you get your work done. Everyone in the shop gets off task from time to time throughout the day but its not a serious issue. I think this lying on the time card shit is crossing the line and suspect others may do it from time to time but I'm not going to sit and monitor everyone on their lunch breaks and time card. The one guy got caught because it was blatantly right in front of me. I believe this is something that needs to be addressed and all employees not just the one caught understands that this will not be tolerated. I feel like some are taking advantage of the laid back nature of our shop and are basically ruining for the rest of the workers who don't purposefully stretch the limits. Now more rules are going to needed to because some cant be honest and babysit themselves. By the way this guy is 60 years old and previously ran his own business so he knows what the hell he is doing and he was kind of family friend before he started working here, I went to school and was good friends with his son.

So he has a shitty attitude because he got caught stealing time/money from the company? Seems legit

Man you just described to a T what has been going on with my crew.
I have some sneaky Mexicans who unfortunately live on the property. They were waking up and clocking in at 530 when we don't start til 630. Staying clocked in later in the day bc they were already home and clocking out at their leisure. It was adding up to some serious OT. After going over it with the company owners we decided to put these guys on a salary which while it's actually going to benefit fit them for the time being, next summer they will get a rude welcome to my world of working 60+ hours a week and only getting paid for 40.


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Yea it definitely sucks. There is no real option to put him on salary as he would take even more advantage prob come in later ect. We only work one shift typically start at 8 and go till 430 some come in at 7 which we never had a problem with and they tend to leave at 4 more so because of traffic as they have a longer commute and rush hour can royally fuck them if they dont leave by 4. lunch breaks have been an issue in the past. It used to be no one had to punch out for lunch it was just an automatic 30 mins per day taken off the total work hours for the week. That started getting abused so we went to mandatory punching out for lunch and a new digitally time clock that tallies total work hours for the pay period to make it easier when doing payroll instead of manually adding up workers time. This stopped that issue for a good while until it started getting abused so a note was put up at time clock in the break room stating that you must punch out for your entire lunch and if you wish to take a longer lunch than 30 mins you will not be payed for that time. This stopped the issue for a while but now said employee(s?) is back to his old game.

At my old job it was either a 8 hour day or a 4 hour day. I punched them in myself on the computer. Gave me the ability to bargain with them too. I could have them finish a job in 5-6 hours and pay them 8 hours for getting it done quick and we could all go home early. Instead of paying them 8 hours and having them dick around all day and not finish.


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That basically how it is for me typically when im at the office Ill get paid for 8sometimes ill come in at 7-730 if something needs to get done some days I wont take a lunch break but I dont punch the time clock I just get 8 hrs. Now when I do contract work its always me on the job site and either the boss or one of our employees for a two man crew. If we get done in 6 we get paid 8 since we our out of town we are going to get a min of 8 hrs a day no matter what. If the job takes longer sometimes 10,12 or 18+ hrs on rare occasions we get paid for those overtime hrs. If its 16 or 18 hrs usually we get the overtime hrs and a paid day off the next day as a thank you for busting your ass and getting that job done. I typically just take a half day and get back to the office in the afternoon to finish little things that have to be done.

I run an auto repair service center and I wouldn't dare let these guys clock themselves in and/or out. I keep an eye on everyone and what time they come and go for the day and lunch. Our guys get a 1.25hr lunch regardless if they take it all or not. And I am busting their ass at 1.24hrs to get something to work on. A lot of people want the money but not put forth the effort to get it. Most days it's like babysitting toddlers!!

Fire them for time fraud...Don't play games.

Lawdy, this is such fertile ground for an employment lawyer.....paying a salary to a laborer who has no management responsibilities and working them 60 hours a week will cost you thousands in penalties.

Also zero fucks given by me bc I've got a million resumes out looking for another job to get away from the shady outfit I'm working for.


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You don't have to be in management to get a salary. It happens in the car business all the time.

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45 I have similar problems time to time. I have 25 employees and believe me it's a job just to keep them happy. The best way is to do reprimands they all know 3 write us and you gone. The trick is to make the other employees police the problems like if someone fails to wear there PPE 1 violation = verbal 2 write up 3 write up and termination. Well if there are 2 violations the other employees start to loose their bonus per event. Therefor they don't like money coming out of their pocket. Punching the clock can be a trick. By putting in a buzzer they can punch on the buzzed. And if someone else clocks him in both get a write up. All I ever ask is for an honest day's pay for an honest day's work. It's ashamed that companies have to do this but as I have learned you can't keep everyone happy no matter how hard you try. Some employees go the extra mile and take care of business that's what you need. The rest well they don't have pride in their work and don't care about the other employees, in the end it's the workforce in the company that makes the company successful, just have to get rid of the bad apples.


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Read this and other information to determine if you should be paid overtime.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/ ... icy_PF.htm

Also, if anyone is in need of an employment lawyer I have a colleague who specializes in this area of law to whom I refer cases. Send me a pm if you need assistance.

My last job I was paid Salary. I worked on average of 10 hours a day with times it was 12+. Also worked on Saturday's minimum until 2 pm so about 6 hours. After 2 years it got old not seeing my wife or kid. It would have been worth it if the money was rolling in, But working like a slave for salary was stupid on my part with 0 benefits. I learned a lot from it, but have cut my losses and moved forward.

No need to cater to these types or go out of your way to find a solution. Have him get his ass back to work after lunch or take a hike. It's pretty simple. Be the boss. Lazy ppl I simply have no use for.

stealing time is stealing period. I would give him 1 warning and keep an eye on him.

When you boil it all down to basics,all a fella has is beliefs and values. If you believe something and I can prove its wrong then I can change your beliefs. With values,either you have them or you dont. If employee is stealing time I would fire his sorry ass.

Puddler45 I would pull that employee to the side and basically say what you first posted. Either take his lumps or move on somewhere else. You were 100% correct on your actions.

Fire his ass- make an example out of him promptly. If you tolerate it you endorse it. In a week you'll never know he existed as others will step up. When there's a turd in my house I flush the toilet before the stink gets too bad. Look into topgrading for hiring- http://topgrading.com
He's a drain on you and your coworkers time and hard work and ultimately a thief. He can go have fun getting hired again at 60 years of age. If I were and employee at this place and there was profit sharing, I'd be on this guys ass to the point I'd be getting called on the carpet.

They manage shovels, picks, jack hammers, and bobcats for me every day, so yes, they are managers.

Thanks for your responses. I left this in the hands of the boss as he returned today and I made my suggestions as far as policy goes going forward. We watched cameras with a time stamp which confirmed what I told him about the time clock discrepancies. All I know is if it was my employee he would have been at the very least suspended on the spot. But not my employee I have no say. There is no formal written work policies regarding any of this issues they are mostly implied and if there certain issues that arise they are spoken in group meetings. I suggested a written policy of time clock and punching in and out going forward so we will see.

I've got a very small biz 7 employees. I've got 2 that are a pain in my ass some days and very few others a fucking genius. When they continue to screw off or fuck up they get a few unpaid days off. When their checks start dwindling and they see the financial repercussions of their actions, usually they shape up.

Oh, and God am I tired of baby sitting the whiney bitches that are today's new generation of young employees. That is all


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I would have called a taxi or called my dad to bring me. Or better yet UBER:lol:

Good for him though. He burnt some calories:lol::lol:

His daddy would have charged him for gas....

Dean I'm unsure of your sons age, but the age group I am speaking of is 18-25 yo. And if your boy did that, he is a rare exception to the current rule.


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