BLASPHEMY!!!!

Paleo love the profile pic hahahaha


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I know a black dude, he look just like an ape, i swear he aint finished evolving yet......just saying.

I know most of you will not read this since there are no pictures, cb, but this is why the above mentioned "proof" is invalid.


This myth, reinforced by a 2003 fictional movie by the otherwise rather cryptic title “21 grams” is occasionally thrown to non-supernaturalists as one more “proof” that we are fools, by our own standards of reason and evidence.

It turns out that the only source for the 21 gram figure is a discredited study carried out in 1907 by a Haverhill, Massachusetts, doctor by the name of Duncan MacDougall. He managed (apparently overcoming any ethical qualms over human experimentation) to put six dying people on a bed equipped with sensitive springs, and claimed to have observed a sudden loss of weight – about ¾ of an ounce – at the exact moment of their death. Having reasoned that such loss could not be explained by bowel movements or evaporation, he concluded he must have measured the weight of the soul. A follow-up experiment also showed that dogs (which were healthy, so they were probably poisoned on purpose by the good doctor) don't seem to suffer the same sort of loss, therefore they don't have souls (sorry, you canine lovers).

This is an excellent example of where pseudoscience and belief go wrong, on a variety of levels. Let us start with MacDougall's claim itself: it turns out that his data were decidedly unreliable by any decent scientific standard. Not only was the experiment never repeated (by either MaDougall or anyone else), but his own notes (published in American Medicine in March 1907) show that of the six data points, two had to be discarded as “of no value”; two recorded a weight drop, followed by additional losses later on (was the soul leaving bit by bit?); one showed a reversal of the loss, then another loss (the soul couldn't make up its mind, leaving, re-entering, then leaving for good); and only one case actually constitutes the basis of the legendary estimate of ¾ of an ounce. With data like these, it's a miracle the paper got published in the first place.

Second, as was pointed out immediately by Dr. Augustus P. Clarke in a rebuttal also published in American Medicine, MacDougall failed to consider another obvious hypothesis: that the weight loss (assuming it was real) was due to evaporation caused by the sudden rise in body temperature that occurs when the blood circulation stops and the blood can no longer be air-cooled by the lungs. This also elegantly explains why the dogs showed no weight loss: as is well known, they cool themselves by panting, not sweating like humans do.

Third, MacDougall's allegedly inescapable conclusion (“How other shall we explain it?”) did not derive from any theory of the soul, but was simply arrived at by excluding a small number of other possibilities. In other words, the soul “explanation” won by default, without having to go through the onerous process of positive confirmation. This is yet another version of the “god-of-the-gaps” argument so in vogue among the faithful, and that constitutes the backbone – such as it is – of Intelligent Design “theory.”

But perhaps most damning of all is the very idea that the soul has weight. Whatever it is, the soul since Plato's time has been understood as immaterial, i.e. without mass and, therefore, weightless. Obviously, this in turn raises all the classic problems of dualism: how can something immaterial interact with a material world? How can ghosts walk through walls and yet “see” things or make noises? How can the mind direct our actions – that famous conundrum that stymied Descartes – if it is an incorporeal “substance” (itself an oxymoron)?

Even more basically: why are the so-called “faithful” perennially in search of scientific confirmation of their inanities? Shouldn't faith be enough? Indeed, isn't the very idea of faith as a value that one should hold fast to it, not only despite the lack of evidence, but even in the face of contrary evidence? C'mon guys, I'm beginning to think that somewhere in your subconscious you have this terrifying suspicion that you really believe in nonsense, and are therefore desperate to get science to provide some evidence, however flimsy, that you are right after all. Why not shed the superstition altogether and see what happens? It's a nice, comprehensible world out here.

I read the first line and moved on.

Man, I must be Nostradamus!

And I am sure after death experiences well mean nothing to you?

Have you ever had a dream? Does that mean that everything you see while unconscious is real?

Thought not.

So is bigfoot real?
LOL

Paleo you seem to be Pretty intelligent and a somewhat good person, I said a prayer for you in hopes that you change your views a little an realize that some of the stuff your tryin to prove makes no sense.

What are you having trouble with? Maybe I can explain it so it will make more sense to you.

He said he would quit licking the windows if they didn't taste like blueberries.

I prefer the strawberry flavored ones

Have you tried them?

Dude musta been dumb as a rock. Well thanks but until the flavores gone, I'll keep licking

allright you fukkers,im back...
didnt read all this garbage but i thought i could maybe splain somthing in simpler common sense terms for the educated to understand more better.....its pretty fukkin simple.


its better to live your life believing in god...and find out at the end that theres no such thing.

than to.....

live your life not believing and find out at the end that there IS one!

add that up any way you want,you can lead the jackass to the water..but you cant make em' drink.

Yeah, its so very obvious from that post that you live your life by the "good book" and rightfully deserve your place in "heaven".

Who do you think stands a better chance? Those who say they believe and continue to sin or those who aren't really sure about anything and just live their life out trying to be a good person?

Go to church and believe in God mother fucker! Or you'll go to hell. Hang on, hold my cup of whisky while I tell you some more shit about God.

only HE judges me cb,not you, roll ya fukkin eyes all you want.
and nobody even said anything about church.

You're right, I shouldn't judge. Its okay though, because I believe in God now and Jesus died so I could be an asshole.

I live my life the same way. I consider myself a good person and genuinely try to do right by others. But I don't run around living a life of sin and then try to act like im something I'm not.

Its one thing to commit a sin here and there, nobody is perfect. Its another to live a life of sin and sin multiple times a day then think its all good because you bow your head at night before you go to sleep. If your going to do it, do it for real. Until then, don't try to push your bullshit on anyone else.

cb,you are correct,he did die for you,and you are an asshole.


nobodys pretending,nodody said theres a place in heaven for them,
all i did was post common sense.
lay off on the coffee,take a valium.

If you're gonna talk about it, at least try your hardest to be about it. I don't see anyone on here truly trying to be about it.

Man this is a touchy topic.

one more page proves that paleo is a sucessfull dickdiggin',shitstirrin' mofo....
good job.

I hear that Jesus turned water to wine.
Any man that can do that is a good friend of mine.

Just ftr. Im not really some crazy Antichrist. Just arguing a point. Im not really sure what I believe. I've been to church. Quite a bit actually. Been to churches where I felt most were not really trying to do good, been to churches where I felt the people genuinely believed everything they preached about and really tried to live their lives that way. Im still not really sure what I believe, but I know the day I start telling people they need to believe that there is something bigger for us after our death is the day I truly start living like I believe there is.