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averydog
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Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:43 pm Posts: 31
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surface drive plans?
well after looking into these mudmotors i have decided to build my own. save some money and have a fun project for the spring. i am looking to build a 25 hp short shaft surface drive. i am looking for some help. i have some ideas in my head and have been watching youtube videos getting more. the only thing i am stuck on is the gears and drive. belt driven, chain driven. and where i can get a prop. also if anyone has plans for a surface drive and they wouldnt mind sharing that would be great. any info would help out a tonne.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:11 pm |
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Team Camo
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:49 pm Posts: 8536 Location: Bridge City, TX
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Re: surface drive plans?
You can actually buy a MB frame in pieces from MB, unless you were planning to actually mill or cut your own designed parts.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:22 pm |
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averydog
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:43 pm Posts: 31
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Re: surface drive plans?
i see bog hog has a pre fabbed design. everything comes in the package minus the motor. where do i find these other frames maybe the price is cheaper.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:51 pm |
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Team Camo
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:49 pm Posts: 8536 Location: Bridge City, TX
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Re: surface drive plans?
MB website, or dealer.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:33 pm |
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Gigafowl
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:19 pm Posts: 6441 Location: Trinity Bay - Texas
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Re: surface drive plans?
Or just do like R.B. and buy a GDSD frame then part out stuff till you break even and buy a motor and have a few fab shop daydreams let J. fab a bit on yer hull and - viola - it's alive ! LOL
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:43 pm |
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averydog
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:43 pm Posts: 31
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Re: surface drive plans?
i was thinking of making it as cheap as i can. my father inlaw works as a wleder and get all all the materials including the motor for free. so all i would have to buy would be a prop and a shaft. maybe the gears. but a couple hundred bucks is better than 4000 for a store bought motor and i can mod it the way i want for it to fit my john boat. the only other thing i am stuck on is engine size. my boat is rated for a max hp of 25 outboard. which is only 150 pounds i know the store bought surface drive motors are over 200 i am affraid i might bend the transom. if i build my own i can make it lighter and make a 25 hp work.
i have looked on the md sight and cant find anything for build it yourself kits. the only one i found was the bog hog kit. and it is pricey. i dont want to spend more than a grand for a kit. if anyone out there has a frame they want to part with or parts i would be interested in that.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:23 pm |
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Team Camo
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Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:49 pm Posts: 8536 Location: Bridge City, TX
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Re: surface drive plans?
http://www.mudbuddy.com/Duck%20Boat%20A ... ge%202.htmSounds like it's more than you're wantin to spend though.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:29 pm |
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averydog
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:43 pm Posts: 31
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Re: surface drive plans?
that is pretty steap if i am going to do that i might as well spend another 2 grand and get a used surface drive. thanks for the help though. i have a few things to think about of course.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:41 pm |
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autogateman
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Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:32 pm Posts: 4036 Location: Gonzales La
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:44 pm |
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averydog
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:43 pm Posts: 31
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Re: surface drive plans?
got started on the surface drive last week. total invested for everything is. total invested for everthing is 1300. 20 hp horizontal engine. a 11 x 10 prop all the metal, chain and sprockets.
the rig is looking good so far one more day and it should be finished then i have to do some testing. we decided to go with a chain drive setup. and 3 to 1 ratio. i will post pics when it is all painted and finished. also maybe a video of the first run.
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Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:42 pm |
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Mag10
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:31 pm Posts: 342 Location: Faribault, Mn
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Re: surface drive plans?
You are going to struggle with 3:1 ratio and a 11X10 prop. Most designs are running a 1.2:1 or 1.5:1 ratio spinning that prop and using a 23 + hp engine. Also, chains do not absorb shock loads like a timing belt does. Just thoughts.
Mag10
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:57 am |
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forever draggin
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 6664 Location: in the marsh with a boat load full of dead hookers
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Re: surface drive plans?
Call mudbuddy, tell em to fax u over a copy of the gator tail plans
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:34 pm |
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averydog
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:43 pm Posts: 31
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Re: surface drive plans?
ya the chain drive didnt work out the way i was hoping so now i am going with the gears and belt. and i am going to call them right now and see if i can get the plans thanks
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:29 pm |
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Team Camo
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Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:49 pm Posts: 8536 Location: Bridge City, TX
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Re: surface drive plans?
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Killer Kallz & ANGLE PORT dealer (409) 720-8949
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:53 pm |
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averydog
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:43 pm Posts: 31
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Re: surface drive plans?
team camo. i wasnt aware that he was being smart but i just called mud buddy and the customer service just laughed. i did manage to get some help on teeth size and belt to use. which was a great help. i told the guy what i was doing and he said great idea. gave me some tips on certain things i have been struggling with. and he gave me the tooth and gear and belt sizes needed.
i am seroius about getting this engine running like a top. and i will be happy to post pictures and help anyone out that is building there own. and please keep your smart comments to yourself. i am looking for help and not samrt comments
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:07 pm |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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Re: surface drive plans?
Sorry, but that is funny.
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:11 pm |
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Team Camo
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Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:49 pm Posts: 8536 Location: Bridge City, TX
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Re: surface drive plans?
Well, at least they laughed about it, I figured they woulda hung up on ya. That was dirty, Ronnie, even for you.
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:32 pm |
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keystone light
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:04 pm Posts: 320 Location: Setx
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Re: surface drive plans?
You really called mud buddy and asked for gator tail plans? That's awesome lol
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:36 pm |
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averydog
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:43 pm Posts: 31
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Re: surface drive plans?
yep thought this forum was to help guys. i dont know much about mud motors other than what i have been trying to research and build. when i get info like that i figured it would help me out on a few things that i am struggling on. but nope guy wants to be a dink about it. thanks for making me look like an ass. i really dont know what i did but thanks again.
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:41 pm |
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bdavis85
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Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:48 am Posts: 147
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Re: surface drive plans?
did you ever get it built? I am interested in building one.
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Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:44 pm |
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katyg2895
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Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:49 pm Posts: 14
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Re: surface drive plans?
Yeah any info on the project? Hope it is working out for ya.
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Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:43 pm |
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surfking
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Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:58 pm Posts: 18
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Re: surface drive plans?
Plz read and comment
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:20 pm |
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PaleoHuntr
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:21 pm Posts: 1800 Location: Idaho Falls, ID
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Re: surface drive plans?
What exactly was he complaining about? Sounds like a real stand-up guy Good job on the project BTW, how's she run?
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:03 pm |
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surfking
MMT Member
Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:58 pm Posts: 18
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Re: surface drive plans?
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:33 pm |
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smash
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Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 10:18 am Posts: 144
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Re: surface drive plans?
poof?
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Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:38 am |
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keystone light
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Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:04 pm Posts: 320 Location: Setx
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Re: surface drive plans?
That didn't take very long.
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Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:44 am |
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BoatDR
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Joined: Tue May 24, 2011 6:43 am Posts: 1604
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Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:52 am |
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odass
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Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:30 pm Posts: 1928
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Re: surface drive plans?
Lol that's funny.
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Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:11 am |
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PaleoHuntr
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Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:21 pm Posts: 1800 Location: Idaho Falls, ID
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Re: surface drive plans?
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_________________ 1976 16X48 Lowe powered by a 25hp MB LT and dino turds
To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.
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Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:48 am |
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white1
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Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:33 am Posts: 722
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Re: surface drive plans?
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Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:27 am |
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odass
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:30 pm Posts: 1928
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Re: surface drive plans?
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Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:11 am |
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keystone light
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Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:04 pm Posts: 320 Location: Setx
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Re: surface drive plans?
I kinda wanted to hear the rest of the story.
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Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:40 pm |
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odass
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Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:30 pm Posts: 1928
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Re: surface drive plans?
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Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:03 pm |
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surfking
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Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:58 pm Posts: 18
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forever draggin
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 6664 Location: in the marsh with a boat load full of dead hookers
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Re: surface drive plans?
aww man u really called, i feel bad..i was just takin a stab at mb. at least they helped u a bit, i dont care who u r, thats funny right there
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:05 pm |
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CootSlayerRMFT
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Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:53 am Posts: 7565 Location: Prairieville, LA
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Re: surface drive plans?
I hope you at least asked something like this, "Hey, somebody on MMT told me if I called you, you could send me a copy of the GTR plans. Would you mind doing that?"
That way he would at least know that it was somebody on here screwing with you and not you screwing with him. Either way, deep down I think you know it was a good joke...
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:25 pm |
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Marque
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Joined: Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:40 pm Posts: 6
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Re: surface drive plans?
Well it just so happens that I am in the process of building a chain driven SDMM that will run aluminum props from 6.5" to 10" in diameter. Reason for the aluminum props is so that they will be the weak point in the system due to chain drive being more unforgiving when encountering hard surfaces. Drive will be 1.2:1 as I want more torque than speed. My particular setup will be able to handle up to a 22 hp engine with only minor changes in sprocket and chain size. I will keep everyone informed on the progress and updated pics.
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flint87
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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Re: surface drive plans?
Junk
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JD145
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Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:01 pm Posts: 1289 Location: SWGA
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Re: surface drive plans?
An aluminum prop on a MM. This will end well.
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