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stualaska
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Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Posts: 578 Location: North Pole, Alaska
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 35 hp with EFI
The EFI on the 993 Briggs starts and runs. It idles very smooth and starts in one revolution. I haven't hooked it to the computer yet but am very pleased so far.
_________________ so many rivers, so little time
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| Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:49 pm |
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po po mud duck
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Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:13 am Posts: 317 Location: Port Arthur TX.
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Pics?
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scatters boy 316
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Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:19 pm Posts: 721 Location: carrollton MS
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
you da man 
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chaseh
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:50 pm Posts: 1230 Location: Waco, Texas
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Hey stu, my PayPal is ready to go! Just say when
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stualaska
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Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Posts: 578 Location: North Pole, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Here are a couple of pictures before all the wiring and plumbing was done. The ECU is fastened to the rear of the belt housing. This is a complete, "closed loop" EFI with O2 sensor, block temp sensor, intake air temp sensor, mass air flow sensor, throttle position sensor, high pressure pump and fuel pressure regulator. My next step is to connect it to my computer and tune it for the best performance. As far as I know this is the first time this mod has been done on the 993. I'll add a picture of a similar kit to the one i'm using. If you contact Ecotrons tell Matt you saw the one stu did. Oh yeah, the kit shown uses a throttle body injection system. If you look close at the pictures you will see I went with port injection.
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_________________ so many rivers, so little time
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OwenDickeson
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Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:45 pm Posts: 9869
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Impressive
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cupped up
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Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:25 pm Posts: 4205 Location: St. Amant, LA
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instagator911
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Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:36 pm Posts: 1127 Location: Behind the hood next 2 da bright light! SETX
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Thats sweet.
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Fletch
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Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:46 pm Posts: 349
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Cool
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TURBODRIVE
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:27 am Posts: 1612
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Nice Stu, caint wait for your review
Sooner or later we will be able to buy big block EFI's, its just when. Until, them 25's are gonna go like hot cakes
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eljefe
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Joined: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:32 am Posts: 5210 Location: Beaumont Texas
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
bad ass!!! i wish i had the tinkering time alaska affords!!! 
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1840 WC www.wccustomboats.com fuel injected 25 GTR
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T-Bubba
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Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:43 pm Posts: 3958 Location: Centerville, La
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
_________________ I gave up mud motors
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mizzippi jb
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Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:53 pm Posts: 5077 Location: The duck Mecca called Ga!
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Do this and fix the case gasket issue and I will own another 35! Lol.....sweet job.
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stualaska
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Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Posts: 578 Location: North Pole, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
_________________ so many rivers, so little time
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stualaska
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Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Posts: 578 Location: North Pole, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
_________________ so many rivers, so little time
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deadbird8
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Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:50 pm Posts: 3833 Location: Old East Dallas, Texas
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
_________________ Excel 1851F4 w/ MB35HD+R CDI with a little bit of this and little bit of that
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cupped up
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:25 pm Posts: 4205 Location: St. Amant, LA
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
993 cc
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deadbird8
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Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:50 pm Posts: 3833 Location: Old East Dallas, Texas
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Got it- DOOOH!
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AKA Freshwaterkilla
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Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:06 pm Posts: 6584
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Duckdon
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Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:32 pm Posts: 407 Location: Chugiak, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Hey buddy, when the water gets soft I want to go for a ride. When is Easter weekend? I'm thinkin Clearwater. Looks GREAT....Don
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JD
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vertical_edge_800
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Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:48 am Posts: 274 Location: Palmer, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Good job Stu! It looks great.
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Buzz Killington
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Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:33 pm Posts: 2455
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
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instagator911
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Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:36 pm Posts: 1127 Location: Behind the hood next 2 da bright light! SETX
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Stu, What size throttle body did you use?
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drake1
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:57 am Posts: 659
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Did the efi on one of my motors in 2009. Was a complete kit from a manufacture that puts them on harly motors. Still have it sitting on the shelf at the shop. Set it up on an EVT vertical intake and tried it TBI and DFI. It did better with TBI. Had it installed on a motor and tested in California before shipping it here. Too many other things happening to mess with it again. Good job on your conversion.
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stualaska
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Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Posts: 578 Location: North Pole, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
_________________ so many rivers, so little time
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stualaska
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Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Posts: 578 Location: North Pole, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
_________________ so many rivers, so little time
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drake1
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:57 am Posts: 659
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Built a wheel that bolted to flywheel. Had 38 teeth on it with 4 missing using the halls effect sensor. Used different coils as well.
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deadbird8
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Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:50 pm Posts: 3833 Location: Old East Dallas, Texas
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
_________________ Excel 1851F4 w/ MB35HD+R CDI with a little bit of this and little bit of that
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dguidry
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm Posts: 11166 Location: Cecilia, LA
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Stu: you should get one of these. In your creative hands it would be deadly, I'm sure: desktop 3d printer. http://www.stratasys.com/lp/3dprinting/ ... Qgod3V8AKQ
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stualaska
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Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Posts: 578 Location: North Pole, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
I did a short video of the engine running and loaded it to utube. I'll do another after I tune it with the computer. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cF2xJr5qb0&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
_________________ so many rivers, so little time
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CootSlayerRMFT
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Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:53 am Posts: 7565 Location: Prairieville, LA
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
All of this is over my head to say the least, but that was impressive!
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JD
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Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:54 am Posts: 563
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
set up a hydrolic motor to run off your out put shaft, through a gage set with a valve off the down stream side so you can tune and compare output at a given rpm. Kinda like a dyno. if you are pushing 4000psi at 3600 wot, and a adj gets you 35-- rpm at 4000psi it added hp.
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chaseh
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Joined: Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:50 pm Posts: 1230 Location: Waco, Texas
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stualaska
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Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Posts: 578 Location: North Pole, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
_________________ so many rivers, so little time
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stualaska
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Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Posts: 578 Location: North Pole, Alaska
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Here is a quick update of the project. I haven't been pushing real hard since we have almost 5 ft of ice on the rivers and lakes so it will be awhile until I can put the engine under load. The instructions for tuning are not difficult after you have read them 8 or 10 times and figured out what is meant by some of the terms. Once I had the software working in the computer it became playtime. Right away I noticed the displacement was identified as 497 cc's. I said "that can't be right" this is a 993 cc engine so I changed it. When I started it up it looked like a diesel under load. There was a beautiful plume of black smoke from the exhaust and I could barely keep it running. DUH!!! That must be the displacement of one cylinder. I went back into the computer and reset it to 497 and it runs great. The throttle body doesn't have any mechanical idle adjustment. Since it was idling at 1500 I wanted to be able to adjust that downward. Nothing to it. The 42 mm throttle body has a stepper motor that is controlled by the ECU, so I told it to idle at 1000 and it did. Then I told it to idle at 1200 and it did that too. The 28 mm and 35 mm throttle bodies for the single cylinders use a bleed air bypass to set the idle adjustment. There are several other adjustments I will make once it is warm enough to run outside. It gets a little close in the shop if I keep it running too long and some of the settings need to be made after the engine is warm. The cowling had to have holes cut in it to allow clearance for the port injectors. If I had elected to go with throttle body injection the cowling could have been left stock and I wouldn't have had to do any machining to the intake manifold. It still would have required the adapter from the throttle body to manifold but I prefer port injection. I fabricated two covers for the two holes where the injectors poke through the cowling because quite a bit of cooling air was escaping. Those of you that are into hopping the single cylinder engines I encourage you to look at what ECOTRONS has for these engines. Of particular interest should be the EFI-Turbo kit. With adequate crank, rods, piston and cam I think doubling the hp is feasible without turning it into a grenade and still maintaining a reasonable idle. More to come when the water gets soft.
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brasso
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banded-mallard
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Joined: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:18 pm Posts: 4310
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
This is fantastic and appears that the kit is $599 and you pick your throttle body. Any body else thinking what I'm thinking. Why the hell can you get an entire EFI kit WITH throttle body for $599 and that mikuni carb kit is $775. Something wrong there.
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deadbird8
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Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:50 pm Posts: 3833 Location: Old East Dallas, Texas
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
_________________ Excel 1851F4 w/ MB35HD+R CDI with a little bit of this and little bit of that
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da go get'er
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:30 am Posts: 3406 Location: Prairieville
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 Re: 35 hp with EFI
Looks good man. Wish I had the time to tinker with a project like this. My only question: did you get warren cocos good graces to mod his motor? Lol
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