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Ever since my favorite lib got the boot from MMT, this Politics corner is not near as much interesting. Most days there is not so much as a comment.

Let me try a topic that is not necessarily political, but has political implications.

So the wife sent me to the grocery store the other day, and I veered off track and checked out the magazine rack. I could not help but notice at how many "survival" type magazines on the rack now. Eight years ago I do not remember any of these existing. The goal of most of these magazines is to discuss various survival situation and techniques. Most have a common thread of some sort of impending government or economic collapse where "survival" becomes a necessity (thus the zombie apocalypse). I do see some articles based on specific threats or scenarios such as hurricane, invasion, terrorist attack, biological attack....

It would seem that there are no shortage of folks these days that do believe some sort of collapse is highly likely in the not so far off future. While the term "zombie" is often used, I do not think folks are preparing to fight the living dead. it is my assumption that "zombie" is just a political correct way of saying that they are preparing to have to defend and protect against possible hordes of welfare sucking Obama voters who have no skills, morality, and who will be looking to steal your rations, weapons, and such. If you look at events like the 92 Rodney King Riots, Hurricane Katrina, The Baltimore and Ferguson ordeals... it is not hard to imagine that some areas of the country would melt down in about 72 hours if a national economic collapse happened. This would especially be true if people stopped getting their welfare checks.

While I do not label myself as a "prepper" I do have an interest in the topic. I would bet most hunters, country folks, those that farm, garden, fish, trap, and such would also have an interest.

While I like discussing this topic, it is so broad, that it is hard to decide where to start. I will throw down a few topics and some of my thoughts. I hope others chime in.

Before I start let me suggest an interesting article from a man who lived in the collapse in Argentina. I may not agree with all he writes, but I agree with most. -

http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-b ... -collapse/



.1 - Location. do you stay put, or run to the hills? I guess some of that depends on variables. If a chemical attack happened, and you are down wind from it, it might not be an option to stay put, same goes for a flood. If you live on the outskirts of Chicago, staying put may also be difficult. I have heard no shortage of folks that live in sub divisions claim they will head for the hills. Some how I picture a bunch of dumb-asses all parked in their cars up in the hills with no means of living. Most folks do not live in the hills because their aint really much up there. Look at the number of deer a person in Alabama can shoot per season vs. the folks living in Wyoming. My brother lives in Wyoming and he was allowed to shoot one antelope, that was it. In Alabama I could shoot a deer a day. There aint much out there in "the hills". I believe it wiser to stay put if possible. If you live in a subdivision

If you live in a rural area, have a wood burner, large garden, hand water pump, local creek, pond, lake, or swamp, and plenty of hand tools, I believe you can do much better than being on the run. While it makes for cool movies to run about with your bug out bag and assault rifle, I just do not think it is realistic. I believe there is much room for discussion on how to set up a piece of property for off-grid living, what to stock, how to defend....

2. - How to train and prepare. Ever heard that you can rub sticks together and make a fire? Guess what? You can also stock up on matches and cigarette lighters, and use one of the two sticks to whack folks in the head for writing dumb articles about starting fires with two sticks. My personal believe is that most of the books and such on "survival" would best be used for toilet paper in a survival situation (or you might rub them together to make a fire). I believe a good book on first aid might just be a better thing to read. Books that teach Skills to do carpentry, metal fabrication, organic farming, canning food, gardening, smoking fish and meat, and other such topics just make more sense to me.

3. - What to stock up on. If you buy one of the survival mags, you will find all manner of adds for freeze dried foods and various high dollar survival chow. My opinion is to look at the poor folks living in crap-hole countries that are able to eat and live cheap. They do not stock up on freeze dried foods, but they do buy bulk bags of dry beans, lentils, and rice. One could easily buy bulk dry foods for cheap and put it in 5 gallon paint buckets with water tight lids. They are easy to stack, store, and move. Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe stocking up on Motrin, medical supplies, zip ties, duct tape, gorilla glue, cooking oil, and such is a better buy than a five hundred dollar survival knife with a compass in the handle. If I am going to spend some real bucks, then I might look at buying some solar panels for the top of the house, and some manner of water filtration and storage tanks. I do not drink, but a bottle of alcohol might be nice if you had to extract a tooth or set a broken bone. I have barely touched all the various aspects if this topic. One cold write volumes on good stuff to have to live off grid or to survive.

4.- What guns to own. For some reason this topic seems to be a real favorite. It really does nothing for me. I do not find it a topic to get wrapped around the axle on. My opinion - I would not buy a specific firearm for an impending government collapse. The stuff I own now will suit me fine. I could actually sell off or trade much of what I have and still do fine. What I would keep. A .22 rifle for hunting small game. A pump shotgun for hunting waterfowl, doves, deer, and also for home defense. An AR for killing deer and for defense/offense. A pistol for carrying when out and about. I think you can argue all day long about the best caliber. For pistol you can not go wrong with 9mm because there is so much ammo. A .45 or .40 cal would also do, as well as various revolver cartridges. In rifle, the 5.56 and the .308 make the most sense because of the availability of ammo. For shotgun, I would believe a 20 gauge or 12 to be suitable. If you have another opinion, I am sure what you believe is what would work best for you. If your heart is set on at 30-30 carbine, then that would be the best option for you. I do not think there is a wrong answer, but I also do not believe one needs a massive collection of guns.

5.- Money. You may own millions in stocks, bonds, and mutual funds, but if you can not get to it, how useful is it? I spent $50 this year on seed potatoes, and they are in the ground. When they make, I can eat them, and also trade them. While I am no expert, gold is always gold, and is always valuable. Gold that you actually have on you seems better than a certificate that says you own it. The only difficulty of keeping it, is others can steal it. If a collapse is prolonged, what can you use to barter and trade? If I have extra potatoes, I could trade them to my neighbor for eggs, being he raises chickens. With a prolonged collapse, goods, and services could be bartered. The longer the collapse, the more advanced the grey/black market would become.


6. - MMT specific. Many of the folks on here use boats for not only sport hunting and fishing, some fish and trap professionally. I mentioned early about the commonality of people talking about people running to the hills and mountains. I have never heard anyone talk about running to the swamp. I believe the swamp/marsh, or back waters is the better option. If a person had a hunting shack that either floated or was on stilts there are some real advantages. For one, everyone knows that zombies do not swim. Water/swamp/marsh makes a protective barrier to keep people away from you. If a person had a pirogue, trot lines, bush hooks, fish traps, nets, crawfish traps, and enough dry beans and rice they could get by. I would be very interested in what those that live in south LA would have to say on this topic.

7.- Zombie Ethics. So this is one topic I have never heard the survival experts or preppers discuss. I was in a discussion with members from church on this very topic, and one man stated that in such a collapse, you would have to be willing and able to do offensive attacks on other people and their property to steal supplies and such. I was a bit dismayed at his thoughts. I am an old fashioned Bible believing Christian. I have read the Bible cover to cover a few times over, and have never found anything that suggest if times are hard, I now have the OK from God to go shoot other folks in the face, and steal their rations. I actually believe the opposite would be in effect. Being I will one day stand in front of God and answer for my life, I think an economic collapse would enable those of us who did prepare to share food and goods with our family, neighbors, and friends. I think it would be a time that you could put real Christianity on display when you care for the widows and orphans (James chapter one). I do not believe there is any time or situation that warrants breaking laws and commandments.

Like I said before, I think this is an interesting topic, and believe there are some common sense things people can do to prepare for all manner of situations where survival skills may be needed. I hope others will chime in with their opinions and thoughts. I am by no means an expert on the topic and am always looking to learn from others.


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Good morning, Ranger. It's been quiet in all of the forums lately.

To your point, there will be a "zombie" apocalypse on Tuesday in Baton Rouge when the Feds say the two police officers were acting within their duties when they shot the latest martyr, Alton Sterling.

Just means I have to take a different gun out of the safe to keep nearby and take with me to work....the 30 round variety of pistol.

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They just want jobs! Remember? Dont think it will be our own who turn on us. There is no other country strong enough to take us, the people of the US are resolved and tough (Liberals excluded to a degree). I say hunker down, take out the trash as they approach and the rest will run like cowards that they are. Watch the muslims, they are and always will be our greatest threat. Make quick work of them. Not a preper but prepared to do what needs be done.

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If history repeats, and if the Alton Sterling deal does bring on chaos I will bet Andre, Demetrious, Dante, Pookey, Ray-Ray, and Tyrone burn their own neighborhood down. That is generally how it has played out in places like Ferguson and Baltimore. They destroy their own stores, shops, and neighborhoods.

Below are some clips the gun grabbing democrats do not want you to see. During the Rodney King Riots the Korean shop owners defended their own shops and houses with firearms. They set up a defense, and keep the zombies out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzkBGQx3HAc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgCiC6qTtjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1REj_YHQxVQ

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While I definitely don't do the prepping thing, my dad always told me that the one thing he would have if the world came to an end was a .22 rifle. It serves multiple purposes in terms of defense or hunting game and the major plus, you can carry a ton of rounds in your pockets. That will always be the draw back of using bigger rifles. The ammo takes up a ton of reality.

Pose this question, If you had enough time to grab one weapon and ammo (think quantity too), would you say that the .22 is the most versatile weapon and one that you would pick?

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Georgia River Runner - I believe your dad gave good advice. In a pinch, a rifle like a Ruger 10/22 will do most things needed of a rifle.

If I knew I would need a firearm for all purposes, could only have one, and believed I would rely heavily on it for self defense, I may lean toward an M4 style AR. I also think that if you could only have one firearm, there is a solid argument for the pump shotgun.

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Coincidentally, I'm watching "LA Burning" on A&E, right now. They just showed a few of those same clips of the Korean business owners defending their property....same clips Ranger posted.

Already saw on the news where Black Panthers are amassing in BR.

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I am sure George Soros and his types are pumping big money to send in all manner of radicals, communists and BLM terrorists.

If I was Jeff Sessions (DOJ) I would declared a date that the decision was going to be made on concerning the Officers that shot Alton Sterling. I would let Soros pump millions in sending all the rabble rousers, and then on that date, I would move the date to a month further. After about three cycles of that, I believe they would get tired of pissing away their money and lose interest.

It amazes me at how the media and democrats can take an issue like this and pull the wool over so many people's eyes. I believe the Trayvon Martin deal will go down in history as one of the greatest scams ever pulled off by the media. They sold a false narrative from the start. Idiots by the millions bought it hook line and singer, all the while completely ignoring the facts of the situation and what the law actually is.

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.357 mag pump carbine 10 round capacity very versatile is my go to rifle.
And stock up on knowledge because you won't have time to learn when shit hits the fan


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GeorgiaRiverRunner wrote:
Pose this question, If you had enough time to grab one weapon and ammo (think quantity too), would you say that the .22 is the most versatile weapon and one that you would pick?


The correct answer is the one that probably every one on this site has and is used every year to take millions of birds and small mammals and hundreds of thousands of deer. It's the only gun that can be used on 8oz doves and woodcock all the way up to Alaskan brown bears. A 12 gauge shotgun (I'd probably use a pump for it's simplicity and reliability though I hunt with semi-autos and O/U). Ammo everywhere. You can shoot everything from #9 bird shot to slugs and buckshot for large game/HD.

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The decision on the type and caliber is always questionable. I'm sure most of you, like me, have common calipers(9mm, 12 ga., 308, 30-06, etc).

1. The other big question is if and when it happens, Do I use the uncommon calibers first saving the most common for later or vice versa?
2. Who, how, and if on allowing "outsiders" to join your "group". (DR., nurse, law enforcement, farmer, or other skill or specialty?

There are many other questions and things to consider. The biggest is to what degree of violence am I going to use to protect friends family and myself.

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CypressCritter wrote:
The decision on the type and caliber is always questionable. I'm sure most of you, like me, have common calipers(9mm, 12 ga., 308, 30-06, etc).

1. The other big question is if and when it happens, Do I use the uncommon calibers first saving the most common for later or vice versa?
2. Who, how, and if on allowing "outsiders" to join your "group". (DR., nurse, law enforcement, farmer, or other skill or specialty?

There are many other questions and things to consider. The biggest is to what degree of violence am I going to use to protect friends family and myself.


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Read the article I posted up top about the collapse in Argentina.

I think the belief that everything would go to hell, and turn into a giant every man for himself blood bath is not reality. I could be wrong. In other countries, the black/gray market kicks in, and folks get back to getting on with life. When they do, there is just lots less golf, recreation, going to the movies, and buying stuff you do not need. Bean and rice start being main dishes.

I am sure there are places like south Chicago that would turn nasty. Anytime you have large groups of people with no skills, no education, who rely totally on the government to feed, house, and provide their medical..... they will not fair well.

The same would hold true for the trailer trash redneck meth smokers who live on SSI and welfare. These folks will go on the prowl. Folks that turn into criminal gangs would be a problem.

The snow flake libs that go to private liberal arts college, protest Trump, and promote socialism, LGBT, BLM.... will be hit the hardest. The hood rats will eat them alive. Those that are not killed off will lay down and die. They have no heart, no life skills, and no mental or physical toughness.


Some of the people I believe would fare best are south of the border migrant workers. They eat and live cheap anyway. They can travel light, they are family oriented, and they make do with what they have.

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^^^^^THIS^^^^^

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If the zombies attack this summer, I will have them over for vegetables. I can feed hordes of them.

All of this rain has made for a heck of a quick growing season. By the end of the week I believe I am going to have more yellow squash and zucchini than I can handle.

This year's garden is so big, I have to take two pics to get it all.


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Great topic Ranger P,

I am enough of a prepper to be ready for 30 days. I have enough MRE's and Water to last, because of hurricanes. Other than that, not really except for the ammo.

What you wrote is great.

I think that gold may be worthless. But salt, food, ammo, cigs, liquor, water, gasoline, guns, oil, animals, meds will be worth their weight in gold prices before the collapse. And if you smoke or dip, stop, but stock up for barter for those that do. LOL They will be even more nervous and wanting of nicotine. Same with liquor--or learn how to make it. And skills will be worth bartering. Like planting, making wind turbines and whatnot.

On number 7, I agree if you have a compound of like families that is sort of remote.

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If you all want to watch a very good series on Netflix, watch Jericho. It makes you think, even though this was a tv show that was not as harsh as I would think it would be.

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If the zombies attack this summer, I will have them over for vegetables. I can feed hordes of them.

All of rain has made for a heck of a quick growing season. By the end of the week I believe I am going to have more yellow squash and zucchini than I can handle.

This year's garden is so big, I have to take two pics to get it all.

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Something also to consider . Seeds for future gardens , all kinds, if it last long enough , you can plant and harvest, then repeat. Buy or stock up now. Get what will grow in your area, what's all around healthy. Seed savers exchange is a good source . While I don't consider myself a " preper" I am also a man that has a plan A,b and c etc... . I've been growing an orchard , fruits , citrus, figs, ,planted over 40 pecan trees in years past 5 apples trees now, this year they are growing there first crop . Little piece of heaven close by.

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In that sorta situation, it's all about sustainability. And you can't even always count on fishing, you have to consider that waterways may be compromised. Seeds to continue your crop is definitely something to consider

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Seeds, 22 shells, MREs,and radio(CB and AM/FM). Gas for at least 30 days unless treated that can be stored up to 12 months. Bow and some arrows (fishing and game type) for the stealth.

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The garden has turned into a monster. It is now all I can do to keep up with it.

I think Huck Finn has it figured out. The things like fruit trees are a food source for the long haul. I would also promote blackberry bushes, asparagus, muscadine, and grape vines.

On seeds, make sure you get non-hybrid types. Once you start growing a garden, you can always put back dry seeds at the end of the year as long as you did not use hybrid types to start with.

Lots of folks seem to really value the MREs. I would not say they are worthless, but I do not place a high value on them. A box only contains 12 meals. If we ate a meal a day, that would only last my family 3 days. If you look at the volume and replace the MREs with things like dry rice, you get a whole lot more food. I believe the best use for the MRE would be a short emergency, or a situation where you might need to travel to your safe spot.

I have also looked at some of the shallow watering ponds near me. They are not deep enough to hold fish, but they would sure hold crawfish that could be trapped.

I like the idea of having a CB. One of my brothers talked about the value of getting an old type from Ebay that has the tubes in it. They would not be affected in an EMP blast.

Not sure if we discussed, but solar power is also nice. If you want solar power for the poor man, buy a bunch of those outdoor sidewalk lights from Wal-Mart. Put them away and do not activate the battery. if you needed them, you cut holes in a cardboard box to hold them all. Take the box out in the day time and charge them. At night place them throughout your house or cabin. The quality ones burn all night long.


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On the CB radios, a good transistor/crystal type should hold up to EMP if its not powered up at that time. Its the IC type electronics(computer, radio with VCO, GPS, and various-unless of course they are shielded very well.
Dry Rice and beans do seem like a better option, saving the MRE's for the slim times.

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On the CB radios, they are only good for a mile or so right, without repeaters? In an EMP, I bet any repeater would be fried. I guess if you had an antennae tall enough, you could extend the range.

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If you use skip, you can talk hundreds of miles away. If you have a base radio with an antenna you can reach out for miles. A base radio can reach between 15 to 50 miles.

A truck radio with a good fiberglass antenna can get out past five miles. In the mountains you will have less range as CBs are line of sight.

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Post Re: Zombie Apoclypse and Surviving an Economic Collapse
would ham radio be better?

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Post Re: Zombie Apoclypse and Surviving an Economic Collapse
Ham radio might have you connected with a better class of people. Cbs are simpler to just grab and turn on from the get go. Anyone and their mama has them or can grab one. Hams take a bit more effort to learn how to use right.

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Post Re: Zombie Apoclypse and Surviving an Economic Collapse
20 years if the cell phone network went out, most would never know.

if it went out today, it would have devastating effects.

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Post Re: Zombie Apoclypse and Surviving an Economic Collapse
rangerp wrote:
20 years if the cell phone network went out, most would never know.

if it went out today, it would have devastating effects.



Since my wife and I had our baby, we have made decisions to not use our phones much around him. You see tons of parents nowadays just throwing something infront of their children to shut them up. We plan to actually interact with our son, and not have him depending on electronics to keep him entertained.

I used to hate being inside as a kid, and never really messed with electronics much. Im hoping my son does the same.
If something happens and knocks out the grid, or at least mobile devices, we wont blink an eye. Hell, I like not being close to the phone and just enjoy life.

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Post Re: Zombie Apoclypse and Surviving an Economic Collapse
quackconsumer wrote:
rangerp wrote:
If the zombies attack this summer, I will have them over for vegetables. I can feed hordes of them.

All of rain has made for a heck of a quick growing season. By the end of the week I believe I am going to have more yellow squash and zucchini than I can handle.

This year's garden is so big, I have to take two pics to get it all.

It's against the law to hunt over a baited field

I was talking with my helper today about this topic, and he brought up the thought of what a niggamelon would taste like? KFC, grape drank, Hennessey? Would the gooks taste like general tso, beef and peppers? And what would they do with us crackers who taste like Budweiser, Copenhagen, and Jack Daniel's?


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