What if-

What if we could divide America right down the middle. What if we could perfectly split up natural resources, transportation, hospitals, military, police,…. What if all the Obama voters got one half, and Romney voters got the other? Once divided, a giant fence could be erected.

If this were done, which side would you want to live on? Which side would be trying to climb the fence, to get to the other side?

Just think, the entire welfare population, majority of the homosexuals, the OWS crowd, Hollywood, war protesters, abortion rights, egg head academia that teach but never produce would all be in one giant happy cesspool of their own immorality.

The tea party, small business owners, entrepreneurs, Christian Schools, most of the law abiding gun owners, hunters, would live in world much more similar to what the founding fathers intended. If a person fell on hard times, they would live on the side that contained the majority of the charitable givers. With high gun ownership, right to carry laws, crime would be nil.

The left side may be happy initially, but when they lost those that paid the majority of the taxes, it would be an ugly day when the welfare check did not go out. Who would Jessie, All, Maxine Waters and the MSM blame when the heathen rose up? Who could afford gas, when they stopped all oil drilling? Who would they work for, when over regulation and high taxation destroyed what little business they actually had. Just think, you would have a massive union, and no where for them to actually work.

In reality, the right can live without the left, and their outstretched hand. Without people like me to tax, the left would crumble in a week, and would starve in the stench of their own man made sewer of socialism.

^This is a great post

Swampdonkey -Thanks, appreciate the comment.

The liberals on here flap their gums a good bit, but they can not deny the truth. Liberals need conservatives, but we do not need the libs.

This is all 100% correct..

I beg anyone on here to please try and object....Not to start a high school argument. But object with reason and fact to support....

I dont think anyone can in reality! Hell i would pay a good bit of money to help with this wall and plane tickets to ship the them off...

We would have to have snipers ready to take out those blood sucking leaches as they try to cross.

Excellent post thanks rangerp

Socialism/communism/Marxism is a funny thing. Once they get full power, they have to put up a fence to keep people in. Soviet Union, Cuba, China, North Korea, East Germany..... all have/had fences, walls, guard to imprison their people, or they would escape (and many did).

America is the one place that oppressed folks the world over all tried to escape to. Did you ever hear of an American defecting to communist china?

The real stupidity of it, is that now our public education is taken over by the socialist. They teach our children to hate America. Our liberal colleges are the same way. They hate us, and want to turn us into a socialist nation. It just does not make sense to me. If capitalism is what keeps the American dream alive, why turn that dream into a nightmare, and embrace a system that imprisons its own people?

Give me about 1000 boxes of winchester silvertips 150Grain bullets....

I shot a posted sign at 500 yards the other day off of some shooting sticks...

I bet you that I can keep most of the fags, communists, welfare junkies, tree huggers andliberals at bay and about 500 yards from that wall with my A-Bolt, VXIII, and three sand bags......


Damn I love that gun...

I would not in either one i would stay and try to bring back all together

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Dont get too close to the wall... lol

It would only be a few years before you people returned to the dark ages and were rolling around in your own filth, cowering in fear of the angry god in the sky causing bright flashes of light and a thunderous roar. Not to mention that in short order the gene pool would be so shallow you would all look like the hill folk from wrong turn.

Don't forget that for the most part the scientist that create vaccines and new medical technology are democrats. Since the word science scares the hell out of most of you, you would all die off from a resurgence of the plague or something similar. If that didn't get you, the inevitable religious wars over the official religion would wipe out a good number of you.

I just read this to my kids and used it as a teaching tool. Thanks for the great post.....

Right before I submitted I saw idacraw's post.....that IS NOT the one I am referring to.

Real simple.
Post office is closed. Amtrac will take you to your welfare checks.

Maybe it has gotten longer i honestly dont know.

Idacraw - your comments – “rolling around in your own filth, cowering in fear of the angry god in the sky causing bright flashes of light and a thunderous roar. Not to mention that in short order the gene pool would be so shallow you would all look like the hill folk from wrong turn. Don't forget that for the most part the scientist that create vaccines and new medical technology are democrats. Since the word science scares the hell out of most of you, you would all die off from a resurgence of the plague or something similar. If that”


Notice that you never answered the original question of which side of the fence you would wish to live. You know as well as I that libs would fail if they did not have the taxes from the conservatives. You need us, but we do not need you.

As far as your comments about religion “rolling around in fear”. You will notice that our founding fathers were deeply religious, and they did not roll around in fear. They were men of prayer, they risked their own lives, and led an army of minute men to defeat the most modern army in the world (the British). The puritans that first settled here were Christian, and they braved tough times, and carved out a new nation because they desired religious freedom ,and fled persecution. It was Christian abolitionist that led to the formation of the Republican party that would go on to end slavery (democrats fought to keep slavery).

You insinuate that a nation without religion would be a better place. Those such places exist, and I notice you aint exactly packing your bags and heading that direction. Communist North Korea is with you on the whole atheism thing, so is China, Cuba, and so was the Soviet Union. You will notice that America has done more to spread democracy around the world, end slavery worldwide, and sends more charity than all other nations combined. The majority of the giving is coming from “Christians”.

Your atheists the world over have literally murdered in the millions. Mao and his communist in China killed close to 60 million of his own people, Stalin killed over 12 million, and was an atheist just like you.

As far as your comments on “science”. You atheist falsely claim that us Christian do not believe in science. That is a misnomer, and a lie. I believe in science, and so do the Christian that I associate with. I believe science, and also believe it coincides with Biblical truth. It is the atheist that stick to a blind faith of evolution. The second law of thermodynamics kind of debunks the whole evolution nonsense. Systems do not move toward more order, they go in the opposite direction to less order. Who did the winding of the clock? We also know that any animal or organism can only adapt within it’s set DNA. In nature, mutations hurt or kill the host, not benefit it. As hard as the false scientist try, they cannot replicate evolution in the lab.

Dr Pat Briney has a PHD in microbiology and he also happens to be a Christian, and a friend of mine. He knows more “science” than anyone I know, and he debunks your evolution pretty soundly. Here is a link, if you are inclined to read a little “science” http://www.uark.edu/~cdm/creation/links.htm


As far as your nonsense about conservatives not having doctors, or scientist that would come up with vaccinations. Louis Pasteur the French chemist and biologist famous for his preventions of diseases was a Christian. This is a quote from him. “Absolute faith in God and in Eternity, and a conviction that the power for good given to us in this world will be continued beyond it, were feelings which pervaded his whole life; the virtues of the gospel had ever been present to him. Full of respect for the form of religion which had been that of his forefathers, he came simply to it and naturally for spiritual help in these last weeks of his life”

Here is a pretty extensive list of famous scientist that are also Christian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ch ... in_science

I think RangerP just bitch slapped you pal..Now march accross you fence line and go study how to scientifically support a nation of leaches because they are comming for you food once they get hungry!!!

Maybe you can teach them the science of supporting themselves and thier family....

Or maybe you are happy supporting them, untill they steal your food!!!

I think you sniffed to much of you science project...

Ranger,,,thanks for your FACTS!! That is something they cannot provide!!!!

I want to sign up for the sniper position on the wall then maybe teach IDACRAW the science of terminal ballistics!!

Idecraw - "If that didn't get you, the inevitable religious wars over the official religion would wipe out a good number of you"


In our constitution, there is no official religion. Jefferson's quote about "separation of church and state" spoke of the fact that the government does not control the church.

In modern day America, there is a state sponsored religion, it is called Humanism. It is the religion of "if it feels good, do it". You have your own saints - Darwin, Marx, LBJ, Obama, FDR.... You worship your own brains, which happens to be a pretty weak and pathetic god. When your humanist religion went into effect, we saw a sudden decline in our ranking (world wide) in math and science. We had a spike in murder, teen violence, abortion, homosexuality, and other deviant behaviors.

abortion, homosexuality..... How are these devieant choices? I am not understanding. If a woman is raped or if the pregancy is threatening the life of the mother who gives you the right to make that choice. It is sickening how we worry more about what two people want to do in THERE own lives. Yet we will pay a man 6 million dollars to play football and not much more than min wage to fight for his country. We fight for FREEDOM of religeon but want to sensor what they believe. I personally think everybody is a hypocrite in there own way. If two women want to get married who cares. How does that effect your life and how you live? How does that Effect society even if they pay taxes and put thier life on the line in danger fighting for you to call them an outcast. yet they would die for you and not even know you and yet you shun them for there life decision. I am just curriouse.

Crittergetter-

Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. I base my moral beliefs from the Bible. In the Book of Jeremiah, God told Jeremiah that he knew him in the womb, and he loved him then. Margret Singer is the founder of planned parenthood. She believed in eugenics, and believed abortion to be key in wiping out the black population. She was an evil woman, and is still a hero to those on the left like Hillary Clinton. When your "choice" or "right" results in the murder of the innocent, I find it to be evil.

As far as gay people getting married. I also support their right to marry. Marriage is defined as the union of one man, and one woman. That is the biblical and historical definition. Two women do not meet the criteria, and neither do two men. Once again, I base my beliefs on the Bible. Via the first amendment, I have that right. Biblically, homosexuality is called an abomination (Lev 18:22), in Judges 19, homosexuals are called sons of the wicked one, and Romans chapter one is clear on homosexuality being evil.

Historically, we know that nations that accept homosexuality as normal soon after fall. Scientifically, we know that gays make up 2.5% of the total US population, but they carry 64% of the nations syphilis, made up 54% of new HIV cases last year, and committed one third of the nations child molestations. They are an unclean and evil people, and always have been. If you read the 40 goals that communists had to overtake the US (read before congress in 1963), you will notice that getting America to accept homosexuality as normal was a goal of the communists. They knew it would lead to our collapse. I would also say that siding with homosexuality, would put ones moral compass more in line with Lady Ga Ga, and les in line with the Founding Fathers. You choose which direction you believe is better.

As to your comment "if they pay taxes and put thier life on the line in danger fighting for you to call them an outcast. yet they would die for you and not even know you and yet you shun them for there life decision".

Not sure who you are refering to, when you speak of "dying for you". I am a 25 year veteran of the military, and still serving. I have three combat deployments, to include Panama, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Paying ones taxes does not coincide with having the right to change the definition of "marriage", or murdering the unborn. No where in my earlier posts, did I call anyone an "outcast". I call homosexuals "sodomites". This is the same term God used for them, along with callig them unclean, and an abomination.

Here is a quote from the founder of Planned Parenthood - the group doing the abortions.

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if
it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." ~Margaret Sanger

Critter- the link below is to an earlier post I made on MMT concerning abortion.

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great post . . .

I don't know where my other post went but oh well. I do thank you for your service, as I have served myself 13.5 yrs.
as far as the statement saying "YOU" was not directed towards you just in general. I think as a country, we focus to much on other lives than we do our own. In retro spect you mentioned homosexuality and abortion as devieant acts i have no idea where outcast came in lol i meant deviant. all I was asking was what makes my cousin a devieant because she chose her own life style and did not follow the foot steps of others. In which in no shape or fassion does it affect how others lives are being lived. The abortion thing as far as your other post refering to dogs I put down dogs for a living so I have a complete differant outlook then most. as long as it is done humanely nothing can be said or done legally, because it happens all the time. As far as abortion it is a choice in my opinion. if i am deployed and my wife was raped and later found out she was pregnant yes good reason. If it is a choice between my wife and an "unborn" baby yes it is a good reason. Hell if any thing abortion could help society as far as eliminating possible unwanted children which get turned over to the state system later to become another democratic supporter. like i said it is just my opinion.

When I read this from RangerP, he lost all credibility: "Dr Pat Briney has a PHD in microbiology and he also happens to be a Christian, and a friend of mine. He knows more “science” than anyone I know, and he debunks your evolution pretty soundly. Here is a link, if you are inclined to read a little “science” http://www.uark.edu/~cdm/creation/links.htm"

RangerP, if you don't think we come from Apes, then you are destined to fall off the end of the earth. Given all of the science we know today, it is hard to believe that anyone still thinks we just happened one day in near history.

Unbelievable, for such an intelligent man.

Critter-

Good comments, and I will try to answer them all.

Your Comment –“ what makes my cousin a deviant because she chose her own life style”. Wow, the libs will hate you if they see that one, but you nailed it on the head. Deviant life styles are a “choice”. Be it homosexuality, bestiality, child molestation, rape, or even adultery, they are deviant, go against the family, and destroy the nation. If your cousin decided to live the deviant lesbian lifestyle, then she will pay the price for her decision. I am not asking to stick my nose in her business or her bedroom, it is the gays that are trying to force their immoral lifestyle choices on the rest of us and force us to redefine things such as marriage.. I do not desire to degrade marriage, or redefine the term to fit the lifestyle of the deviant. You cannot deny the statistics I posted about the homosexuals in their rate of disease and child molestation. Check the uniform crime reports, and the center for disease control statistics. The most basic unit of governance and education is the family. When the family falls, the nation falls. Homosexuality and other deviant behaviors was a contributing factor in the fall of Rome and other civilizations and nations.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own truth. Truth is universal, and it does not bend for liberals or the evil.

Your Comment – “ Hell if any thing abortion could help society as far as eliminating possible unwanted children” Wow again. Did you actually think about that before you printed it? Hitler may agree with that logic, but I do not. The end does not justify the means. I will make a very crude and evil example that I do not believe in or support, but it relates. If we executed all black males in the US between the age of 13 and 30, we would cut most violent crimes in America in half. Blacks make up 12.5% of the population, and commit half the murders, 64% of the rapes, and 70% of armed robberies. While statistically murdering them would lower the overall crime rate, even the suggesting is evil and just plain wrong. The little unborn baby aborted today may have been the person that cures cancer 30 years from now. Justifying the murder of the unborn to lessen unwanted children is just evil and wrong. It is a genocide of sorts.

This whole façade about abortion being legal for saving a woman’s life, or for rape and incest is a farce. Check the stats and enlighten yourself. The feminist are die hard abortion supporters for the reasons of cosmetics and convenience. How about we apply some self discipline and self responsibility to the issue. If women do not want to have babies, then do not have sex. If we want to lessen the number of unwanted pregnancies, then get rid of the welfare that rewards immoral behavior. How about parents raise girls that do not treat sex like a high school sport, and boys that have some self control and respect for women. Once again, we got away from the Bible truth, and the heathen behavior soon replaced it.

Dguidry - I had a real good laugh over your claiming that I lost credibility with you. Let me let you in on a secret, I never had any with you in the first place. I am a Christian conservative, you are an atheist socialist. Nothing new here.

Go back and read the last 500 or so posts, where we have debated, and show me where you ever though I was credible.

If you want to debate evolution, brush up on your "science" and let us see what we can do.

"It is a striking, but not much mentioned fact that, though geneticists have been breeding fruit flies for sixty years or more in labs all round the world—flies which produce a new generation every eleven days—they have never yet seen the emergence of a new species or even a new enzyme."—Gordon R. Taylor, The Great Evolution Mystery (1983), p. 48.

Fruit flies refuse to become anything but fruit flies under any circumstances yet devised."—Francis Hitching, The Neck of the Giraffe: Where Darwin Went Wrong (1982), p. 61.

"... Dobzhansky, as others did and would do, took for granted that, with enough time, the kinds of small mutations and changes that were observed in laboratory experiments on fruit-fly population genetics were also capable of producing the degrees of differences that seem to characterize species in the wild. To be sure, there was a certain logic in the belief that it was unnecessary to postulate another mechanism for evolutionary change when one already appeared to exist. This logic also seemed to benefit from the assertion that not only had no other mechanism been observed but that no other mechanism had yet produced species. Nevertheless, it was and still is the case that, with the exception of Dobzhansky's claim about a new species of fruit fly, the formation of a new species, by any mechanism, has never been observed." (Schwartz, Jeffrey H. [Professor of Anthropology, University of Pittsburgh, USA], "Sudden Origins: Fossils, Genes, and the Emergence of Species," John Wiley & Sons: New York NY, 1999, pp.299-300).

"Despite a close watch, we have witnessed no new species emerge in the wild in recorded history. Also, most remarkably, we have seen no new animal species emerge in domestic breeding. That includes no new species of fruit flies in hundreds of millions of generations in fruitfully studies, where both soft and harsh pressures have been deliberately applied to the fly populations to induce speciation. And in computer life, where the term "species" does not yet have meaning, we see no cascading emergence of entirely new kinds of variety beyond an initial burst. In the wild, in breeding, and in artificial life, we see the emergence of variation. But by the absence of greater change, we also clearly see that the limits of variation appear to be narrowly bounded, and often bounded within species." (Kelly, Kevin, Executive Editor of Wired Magazine, Out of Control: The New Biology of Machines, 1994, Fourth Estate: London, 1995, reprint, p.475).

ranger, you are either horribly misinformed or willfully ignorant, take a guess which one i'm leaning towards. There is no more EVIDENCE for debunking evolution than there is for debunking gravity, it is a fact, plain and simple, and refusing to believe it does not make it any less true. You can copy and paste the "second law" argument from a christian website all you want, if you had any understanding of the science behind it at all you would see just how invalid that argument is. I have already refuted that argument on here last year, docott tried the same lame tactic. You say evolution can not be replicated in a lab, how do you think that bacteria is becoming immune to antibiotics?

You keep saying the founding fathers were staunch christians and deeply religious, again you are still wrong here. If you take the time to read something other than the pamphlets your preacher passes out, most of them are thought to be deists. Do you know what that means? It means that they are spiritual, but do not believe in a Judeo-christian god, in fact Thomas Jefferson went as far as to say that the christian god is cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust.

The number of deaths you attribute to atheists is also completely false and ignorant. Those people were not killed in the name of atheism, they were killed in the name of their state. And lets not forget events such as the crusades, the witch trials, the inquisition, and even all deaths in the name of Islam (regardless of what you think, your religion is just a different flavor of islam). Remember the fire bombing of abortion clinics and pipe bombs delivered to doctors who performed abortions? Those were your christian brother that did that. How about the westboro church, remember them? Those are also some of your brethren. Such a peaceful and loving religion you have!

And if there was ever a better argument for the support of abortion, it would be barnes_53.

The problem here is that regardless of what I say, how much evidence I show you, you will still refuse to believe. You are the most dangerous form of idiot, you make long winded speeches that really have no factual backing, but simpletons like barnes and tchavin eat it up and hoist you upon their shoulders. Hitler also made nice speeches, regardless of how wrong he was.

I never said I wasn't...

And like I said....idacraw, you my friend would be my first statistic teaching you the science of terminal ballistics. If you pass that test then I will sit through your topic of evolution discussion.

then can YOU in fact explain how we started idacraw? for us simpletons, i'd really like to hear the explanation of something from nothing, in order to evolve you must have something to evolve from yes? let us know how we got here and evolved into such wonderful, boat driving creatures . . .

Lmao...awww....idacraw. You have butt hurt again?