Just saw a news article about the bill they are trying to pass into law there. It is being called the"kill the gays" bill, and like the name suggests the government wants to imprison and give the death sentence to homosexual citizens. That sounds like something right up rangers alley with his hate speech against gays, chronic homophobia, and his love of ultra conservatism it would be like Disney land every day. A whole country of conservative, unrestrained bigots, I'm betting he will apply for dual citizenship assuming he can put aside his rampant racism.

Christians like myself and Ranger don't hate gays.... We just unapprove of their lifestyle. The bible says that the union of marriage is to be between a man and a woman. And we believe what the bible says. The tearing down of the basic family unit with one father and one mother is one of the biggest problems facing our country today. Just because we do not support gay marriage or that lifestyle does not mean that we would support killing them. That is very unfair of you to suggest that....

Idacraw,

That statement you made qualifies for the most ignorant statement ever. You just gave a clear example of how big of a jackass you really are.

You never know how ignorant people are until they open their mouth or start typing BS like what was spewed above.

Looks like Idacraw is trying to come out of the closet on us. Hey bud, do not move to Uganda, I do not think they have mudboats there anyhow and they might just kill you.

I do not use "hate speech", I use facts (something you anti American socialists hate).

Facts: gays make up 2.5% of the total US population, they have 64% of the nations syphilis, they made up 57% of the nations new HIV cases last year, and according to the uniform crime reports, they commit a third of the nations child molestations. They are a diseased and unhealthy people. They have much higher than average drug and alcohol abuse rates, lesbians assault each other at a higher rate than heterosexuals, and they have much higher than average suicide rates.

Every nation in the history of this world that accepts homosexuality as natural, soon after falls.

My moral compass tends to be more in line with the found fathers, and General George Washington to General George Marshall. My moral compass does not align with the likes of Madonna and Lady Ga Ga. It sounds like Idacraw's does.

I got a feeling I know why you left the Marine Corps now.

idacraw- you should move to uganda, and hopefully theyll have that new law in place, so no one will ever have to listen to your bullshit ever again

Wow...Am i the only one that feels like this dude was the Occupy wallstreet founder??? Or is jealous cause he wasnt..

idacraw-



....oh and one more before I go....you should just shut your fucking mouth. The world, MMT and all of humanity are better places when you do.

Idacraw - your statement in reference to me - "assuming he can put aside his rampant racism"


I keep telling you man, your speech gives away your rampant, far left wing, communist, anti American liberal identity.

When libs are losing the debate, it is a favorite tactic to start point fingers, calling their opponent racist, sexist, homophobe, or islamaphobe. It jives with the rules of political correctness, and meshes with the multiculturalism now instructed in our public schools.

here is your problem - There is not one post from me that is in any way, shape, or form "racist".

I could give a flip less about race, skin color, or creed. I judge people based on their actions, not their race. I am a "realist", not a "racist". While I do not base my opinions of people based on race, I also do not excuse actions based on race.

I talked before how the democrat party has a hundred plus years of racist policies. They fought to keep blacks as slaves, passed the jim crow laws, fought for segregation, voted against civil rights. It was democrat Sen Byrd that was a grand Cyclops in the KKK. Bill Clinton was mentored by racist James Fulbright. Al Gore Sr voted against the 64 civil rights act, and LBJ had a long history of racism. Hillary Clinton praises Margaret Sanger (founder of planned parenthood), knowing she called for the genocide of black Americans.

Your words are hollow and empty.

The PC threats from folks like Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, and sodomite clowns like you have no effect on me. I do not fear your labels. Once again, I am a realist

Spin it how you want, your posts name it clear that you hate homosexuals and are racist. Your continuous comments about love looking for a handout isn't directed towards people like dguidry. As soon as you face the problem the sooner you can get help.

The funny thing about you continuously bringing up the founding fathers is that they left Europe to escape religious oppression and people like you use the rights they gave you to oppress people with your religion. I also find it funny that in the time since declaring our independence, England has made great strides to turn away from organized religion and now leads the world in medicine and beats our ass at education. In the same time America has reverted to a nation of superstitious hypocrites and the only thing we lead the world in is people in prison, poor education scores, and crime. Which is funny since somewhere in the neighborhood of 84% of the population follows one religion or another versus 46% in Europe. But I see your point that the 2.5% is the ones ruining the country.

I like that when you get called on your BS you resort to attacking my military service, twice in a week. Typical, and very becoming for a supposed officer, kind of like your hate speech for your commander in chief, which as you must be aware is illegal by the UCMJ, and could be considered treason. You continue to show your true colors with hypocrisy and ignorance.

Good post

Yup,,,,I said it a long time ago!!! Idacraws agenda is simply pushed by his need for government grant money to support not a job, but simply a hobby!!! He knows that most on here would love nothing more than to downsize government! In turn he loses his hobby money!

Idacraw - I served with the British for a year in Afghanistan. They would have a good laugh at your post. Multiculturalism is eating them alive. Their public education is an absolute joke, and is even worse than ours. They do not lead the world in medicine. The US leads the world

You mentioned our founding fathers. Find one place where they ever mentioned homosexuals? General George Washington saw fit to kick homosexuals out of his Army.

I took an oath to support the constitution of the United States, against enemies, both foreign and domestic...

What exactly is a domestic enemy? If a man declared himself a communist, blew up bombs in our subways in an effort to spur a communist revolution that would rid the nation of our constitution, and set up a socialist gov, would he be considered a domestic enemy? Such a man exists, and our current president declared his run for the senate seat in this mans house. That man is Bill Ayers.

You have still yet to show where I ever said anything "racist".

It is you that supports the racist, and i have shown it over and over.

Oh yea, and the fastest growing religion is England is......... Islam. Wow, brilliant.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqoAQvWnyuA watch this clip for a quick education on multiculturalism and the muslim take over of Europe

And just the other day, Idacraw was doing his fake tough guy act (about punching people in the mouth) when I called him out on his anti Americanism.

Today, he is right back to slamming the US, and praising other nations.

The public education in England is a joke and getting worse. Those that want a real education for their children are sending their kids to private schools. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -26th.html

If you like European Socialism so much, why don’t you pack up and move over yonder.

You tell blatant lies, and you know it. Your comment about "America has reverted to a nation of superstitious hypocrites". This statement is an absolute joke. America is less religious today than any time in our history. When have more atheists, more agnostics, and less professing Christians than any other time. You will find that as each decade passes, and the more atheists we get, the higher the prison population gets.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7041036&page=1 Read it for yourself. America is now less religious than anytime in our past, and we now have the worst education of anytime in our history. Back when we had one room schools houses in the local church, and when kids were instructed to read via the King James Version Bible, we were more educated than in the day where we have computers in every class room, and no longer use that Bible.

Idacraw has never been able to answer this question. How is it that in the 50s, kids in our public schools prayed, read the Bible, and they were the top in the world in math and science. As soon as we got rid of the prayer and Bible, instructed the humanism and evolution we began to drop, to where we now sit at around 25th in the world standings?

When we got rid of the prayer and Bible, we had a sudden jump in teen pregnancy, teen murder, teen suicide, and violence in our schools became an epedimic problem, that never existed in the past.

We now have had almost 4 decades of teaching evolution in our public schools and colleges, and we saw no progression, we saw regression.

You will also note that nations that have shunned Christianity, killed Christians, adopted socialist/ Marist, communist principles are the same counties that have turned around and literally murdered millions of their own population. Mao rode to power on the back of the peasant farmers, telling them what the mean old 1% owed them. Once in power, Mao murdered 60 million of those same farmers.


If Idacraw could have it his way, Christians would be rounded up, killed, or put in prison. He knows God is real, and he hates God and God's people.

Just keep saying it, that will make it true. You live in a fantasy land and have no understanding of anything other than your book of fairy tales, and even your understanding of that is suspect.

Since the majority of the country shares your beliefs why is there a break down in the family unit?. If religion is so important in our schools why are the worst performing states those with the most religious populations? You don't have a clue what you think you are saying, like a preacher you just spout nonsense and the simpletons cheer and scream amen.

The majority of the country does not share my beliefs. That is obvious by the results of the last election.

The majority of the country put away the Bible, turned on the MTV, the pro and college sports, the video games and no longer know the Bible.

The majority of our churches are a joke. It is more about popularity than preaching on gospel truth, and calling sin for what it is. Most churches today are more of a rock concert than a traditional old fashion Bible preaching church.

The top schools in our nations are our private schools. My girls attend a Christian School that has the highest ACT score in our state.

Our schools across the nation that have the worst track record education wise are our schools with the highest numbers of minorities. They are not low because of skin color, but more because we have made excuses for those with the various skin colors. We were sold a bad bill of goods on the multiculturalism. The cross town bussing programs have not worked, and in reality caused us to drop standards in what used to be our good schools. You will also notice that the worst schools are in the areas were we have the most government intervention and democrat programs. Our public schools pay more per student than any nation in the world, and what do we have to show for it. The federal gov got their hands in the mix, and messed it up. We need to get the gov out, get mom, dad, the local community back in charge, and put us back to the top where we used to be. Hillary and the villege of idiots are more concerned with brain washing kids with liberalism, than teaching hard facts, science, math, english, history....


You still cannot answer my questions. Why is it we were top in the world in math and science back in the 50s. We got rid of prayer, creation, and Bible, and dropped to the 25th place, and are still dropping. Why after almost 4 decades of humanism and evolution have we not gone up, instead of going down?

How is it that for almost 100 years, Russia has had evolution in their curriculum, along with China, North Korea, Cuba..... and they are all so far behind us in medical research?

I seriously laughed out loud at that one.

MTV and video games? How old are you, good grief you are out of touch with reality. But I'm finally glad to see you admit that church is a joke.

Our country does so poorly in education because idiots like you think the planet is only 6000 years old and pass that stupid on to your children. Organized religion fights to keep this country uneducated, if not then people would realize it was bullshit and quit dumping 10% of their income into temples of ignorance. There is adifference between spirituality and religious, religion exists for the sole purpose of money, do you really think god needs your money? Despite your claims of being a champion of truth, the reality is you are blind to it. Your hate for homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, and other races blind you. If you could set aside your hate for America as it has become and read something other than the bible and creationists websites you could find answers for yourself. As it stands you and your fear and hate mongering is what will be the downfall of our nation, people like you seek to keep the country divided among lines of fantasy taken from a book of lies.

I am 44 years old.

Idacraw - a couple of your comments “ your hate for homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, and other races blind you”
“But we do know you lump Catholics in here, you have made it pretty clear how you feel about them”

Wow, they just keep coming. For starters, you lump homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, all in as “races”. Homosexuals are not a race, it is a sexual deviance, and is a choice. Scientists have proved there is no gay gene, and we know that homosexuality is a choice, and is very much a result of environment. Currently, the fastest growing population within the gay population, is black males. Go tell a black male that he is genetically more inclined to be homosexual, and see what happens. The reason for the fast increase in black males, is that seven in ten are born into single parent homes, they are sending more men to prison, than to college, and the number one place that they are getting introduced to homosexuality is in prison or jail.

Muslims are not a race. There are Arab Muslims, European Muslims, and African Muslim. Islam is a false religion. The false prophet Mohamed claims that he walked out into the desert, and a six hundred wing angle imparted wisdom to him. He was a liar then, and he created a religion of lies. Check terror attacks over the last thirty years, and enlighten yourself that Muslims the world over commit the vast majority of terror acts.

Where in the world would you get the false notion that I hate Jews? The Jewish people, or the state of Israel are God’s chosen people. The 12 chapter of the book of Genesis tells us that God blesses those that bless the Jews, and he curses those that curse the Jews. I support Israel, and love the Jewish people. Do a check on Nobel prizes from everything from science, to chemistry, to physics…. And see how many were won by Jewish folks. Just for interest, then check and see how many were won by Arabs.

As far as how I feel about Catholics. I love them too. I have many good friends that are catholic, and I believe there are Catholics that are Christians. The Roman Catholic Government in Rome I have no use for. They have a long history of contradicting the Bible, and using “religion” as a means of controlling large populations.

As far as ,my statement about many Churches in America being a joke. I stand by that claim. Many Churches in America are more of a social club that rocks out to the new wave music, and ignores the Bible. They no longer preach on sin, or repentance, and are more in line with making people feel good. With the collapse in our churches, the teaching of evolution, and the acceptance of homosexuality, we are falling as a nation.

Because of our Christian past, our support of Israel, God has blessed this nation. We have one of the highest standards of living in the world., and we lead the world in Medical Research, and many other areas. If we continue down the road of socialism, and ungodliness, we will fall.

Idacraw - your comment - "idiots like you think the planet is only 6000 years old and pass that stupid on to your children"

Speaking of passing on to Children. Both of my daughters are raised going to church, and attend a christian school. My oldest daughter has skipped three grades and will graduate high school at age 15. She is competing right now at state level in a science project (in a secular college) that could net here a scholarship. For three years in a row, she placed in the top five in the state of Georgia for competitive spelling bees, when she was 10 she took high school spanish, and had the highest GPA in her class. I do not think the Christian education is hurting her one bit. My youngest daughter skipped one grade, and has brought home a 4.00 for the last three years.

That says : homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, and other races. So that means you hate homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, and races that aren't your own. I thought that was pretty simple, guess not.

I like how you divide Christianity into separate groups, but lump ask Muslims into one group. It doesn't really work like that, you can't say these Catholics over here are bad, but these over there are ok. Kind of like how you separate terrorist actions by Christians from the rest of Christianity but condemn all of the Muslims for the acts of a few. All religions are false religions that exist for the sole purpose of controlling populations and various cultures. Don't try and kid yourself that you are on some noble high road because of the religion you were raised in, you could have just as easily been born in Iran and guess what you would be spouting then. You seem to think that I am trying to defend Islam, I'm not, I'm trying to get you to understand that you are no better than the people you hate, 2 sides of the same coin.

Wow, your kids excel in Christian school, how impressive. I'm sure they will do great at a Christian college as well.

I went to a Christian school then transferred to public school. I had to study hard to make Bs and Cs at the Christian school and I was on the A and B honor role at public school with very little effort.

Idacraw - You really seem to struggle when you are not cutting and pasting comments from secular science pages.

Not sure on your level of education, but I think you would do well to take a class on logic, because it is here you seem to make a real buffoon of yourself.

Lets break this down barney style for you, and do it slow and simple.

You claim that if America would just do away with religion, and creation, we would move up in world standings in math and science.

History shows that in the 50s, we were top in the world. Back then, we instructed kids in creation, they prayed in school, and they read the Bible in public school. when we did what you are suggestion, we did not increase, we decreased, and have continued to do so.

the Soviet Union mandated that Christianity not be instructed, and even jailed and killed people for Christianity. The only thing their schools instructed was evolution, creation was not allowed. Even after decades of doing so, they never caught up to us.

While we are declining in "Christianity", we still lead the world in medical research. Those nations that have forced evolution, and killed Christians lag behind us.

Once again, you have no ability to answer why when we stopped teaching creation, we went donw in math and science. Based on your logic (or lack their off), we should have gone up.

As far as different types of "Christianity", there is no such thing. There is only one Christianity. that is being a sinner that is saved by Grace by what Jesus did on the Cross. There may be different manners in which people worship, but only one Christianity.

If you are so foolish as to try to tell people on here that you believe Christianity, and Islam to be on equal footing in relation to terrorist activity, then you my friend are an absolute fool. the Islamic terrorism (and Jihad if you will) is coming from the religious leaders within Islam. Their religions teaches that non Muslims are infidels. Contrary to what you believe, Baptists are not doing honor killings, Methodists are not blowing up busses, and the Presbyterians are not hijacking airplanes. Across the world, Islam has the patent on terror.

As far as my girls excelling in Christian schools, they also excel in secular competitions, and my oldest is looking to go to med school at a secular college. All that being said, you can go check the academic standards at a Christian school such as Bob Jones University, and you will find that they exceed most secular schools, and secular schools have no problem accepting their courses and giving credit for them

Fletch - Funny you mention that. I attended a Baptist School in Michigan until 5th grade. I was literally the class dummy, and barely passed. When I switched over to public school, I was high honor roll, and was way ahead of my peers in just about every subject.

Well mister truth and logic, explain why the worst performing states in education are in the bible belt and other states overrun by religious groups.

Islam may have the majority of terrorists at the moment, but it wasn't too long ago that that honor went to the Christians. Who knows who will have the title in a few years.

Much of what you are calling the Bible belt is in the deep south, and happens to have a majority of the African American population. Check and see the performance levels of these schools with very high minority populations.

Look at a state like Georgia and see where they rank. Then go to the Athens area, and see how high their public education is. It is mostly white, and they rank high, and their SAT scores are high.

Not a racist comment but a real statistic, the schools in public education with the whitest populations are also the ones with the highest levels of success and generally have higher ACT and SAT scores. Check Michigan public schools, then run over and see the public schools in Detroit.

Arkansas is another interesting state. Check the public schools in the southern part of the state with high black populations, and they are some of the lowest in the nation. Run up to North West Arkansas, and they have mostly white population, and their public schools ranks as some of the highest in the nation.

has nothing to do with "Bible Belt" and is unequivocally tied to minority populations.

Idacraw... When you stand by yourself and have 100 maybe more people who stand against you... Does it ever cross your mind that you may be the problem/wrong one?? Just a thought.. When no one gets along with you its probably you that's the problem. I don't hate you for sticking to your beliefs but by all means I do very much so hate you and I have no clue who you are. Walks like a lib, talks like a lib, your a damn lib. Poor thing.!


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Nick - We sit on the side of rightiousness, Idacraw sits on the side with communists.

Typical fundie, always blame the minorities for all your problems. That doesn't sound racist at all.

Nick I'm not trying to win a popularity contest like ranger, I just point out the flaws and error in his continuous attacks on everyone who doesn't think like him. I understand this poses people off, nobody likes to be proven wrong. But then again people like ranger can't accept real facts no matter the source, and as much as he may boast his debating prowess he had yet to provide any real facts for any of his claims, just opinion and rhetoric from people as misguided as him. You can reach those who refuse to learn, so when he can't provide facts he resorts to personal attacks which is a common tactic for weak minded people. Don't be fooled, he has already said that any church that isn't like his is nothing but a joke, he has as much contempt for your beliefs as he does mine.

Idacraw you are so full of shit I can smell you through the computer lol. You know my grandpaw had a saying " those that can, do, and those that cant teach". Many times on here you prove that point.

You get on here and spew as much rhetoric and BS as anyone else and refuse see yourself using the same, hate filled name calling bigoted racist tactics you accuse everyone else of.

You just got on here and claimed that England leads the world in medicine. Where was your facts for that? You didnt even respond to my post b/c you cant argue it.
You blame religion as the downfall of education and scientific proliferation in america but there is an overwhelming decline in public education in the last 3 decades at the same time as a decline in public religious activity in schools, how do you account for this parallel relationship, scientifically? according to your argument it should be an inverse relationship.

The fact of the matter is that Americas decline in education has nothing to do w/ religious practice, it has to do with things I've already mentioned. I have multiple family members by the way who are master degrees in education at various levels. The decline is in public education system due to numerous social deviances in america. Such as, increased divorce rates, single parent homes, break down of the family unit, parental failure to instil strong work ethics and responsiblity, entittlement attitudes, government control programs such as "no child left behind" and Policial correctness allowing poor perfomers to remain in advanced classes holding better students back and slowing teachers down. These are all things that have become acceptable in todays society that 40yrs ago were not. In the end, the problem w/ education is not in the school, its in the home and government, and throwing money at the problem and losing religion is not the answer.
You are a career student, an academic, all college and no knowlege. If you would get outside your little bubble you might actually see what most of us are talking about. I'll be happy to take you to some poor rural and inner city schools here in SE LA where you can see the truth. How do you teach a kid that school is important when in his society gives him more respect for time spent in prison than his education level? but he is put in the same class as students who want to learn.

Idacraw I lived in Spain for six months during the first gulf war and they have more holidays than any country in the world, the whole country shuts down after lunch for a couple hours and they stay up late. In case you didn't know they are broke. I've visited Greece and everybody sits at coffee shops. Pretty much the same for much of Europe. Broke. These so called brighter better educated socialist people have no incentive. Not all are. I also lived in Yemen,which is Islam. I have personal friends (3 Americans)that were killed because they were Christian. I have a friend that we had to sneak out of the country because he had a price on his head for being open about Christianity. I have friends that had a pistol stuck to their head trying to find this person. This country is still a 3rd world country.
What exactly does these other countries excel at that this country has not, by hard work and faith?

Take a look at the survey done by the world health organization that ranked countries according to their quality of care and cost of of care. America ranked 37th in the world, and many of the European countries ranked much higher.

I'll agree with you that there are many factors that lead to poor performance in the schools, I was simply pointing out again that teaching evolution and removing teacher led prayer was not the cause. And you can't argue that the state's with highest number of faithful also have lower education scores, but ranger blames black people for that. You act like you religious people are being oppressed by people like me, the truth is in the last ten years religious organizations have been very successful at pushing their agendas into all our lives. You and ranger act like your beliefs somehow make you better people, but the fact is that crime, drug use, and divorce rates are almost dead even among religious and non-believing people.

And career student? Hardly, I can almost guarantee that I have more real world experience than you. I don't need you to show me anything, I grew up poor living in rural Mississippi. Like usual with you, you make assumptions that somehow you are more worldly, when in fact you are the sheltered one. I'm sure life is hard for a nurse.

Where do you get that crime drug use and divorce is almost dead? Or did I mis understand.