From the tail end of the article: "the only rational conclusion one can make is that the prevalence of guns in a society has no statistically significant impact on that country’s overall homicide rate. Instead, societal factors (culture, socio-economic standing, gangs, drugs, etc.) not gun control or limits on gun ownership, are chiefly responsible for a country’s homicide rate." -My interpretation: Guns don't kill people, bad people kill people. Bad gang members on drugs kill even more people. The fact that we as a society don't do a better job of kiling people who kill other people, leads people to believe that killing people is OK. People who aren't bad people, that have guns, tend to discourage bad people who like to kill people from actually killing people, namely the people who aren't bad people that have guns. Bad people who like to kill people will always have guns, primarily because they are bad people, and killing other people with guns is relatively cheap and efficient, and does not tend to require as much physical effort. People who think people of all sorts shouldn't have guns, think that all of this people-on-people violence will magically cease, and that people will suddenly get along with other people. Well, people, I think that notion is a bunch of people-poop. Bad people will do what bad people do, armed or not, until they stop being bad people, or stop being people altogether

Rome conquered the known world killed thousands doing it. And they did it all without ever using a gun.
People kill people the only variance is the tools used. Gun control is not the answer.

because of the laws of political correctness, we no longer speak the truth in America.

here is a dose of reality on gun violence and murder. If we as a nation could bring black murder rates to the same as white murder rates, we would drop the nations murder by just about 40%, making us one of the lowest countries in the world in relation to murder rate.

Blacks currently make up 12.5% of the total population, but they commit 50% of the nations murders. Black on black violent crime is an epidemic, but talking about it does not jive with the MSM, MTV, and the libs agenda, so there is a big hush hush, all the while, young black males are getting killed at an alarming rate.

Political correctness is the crutch of the liberal agenda!!!

^^^^^no doubt abt it

hmmmmmm, so liberals are calling for a ban on the one weapon the recent shooter left in the back seat of his car. Brilliant.

I am betting that the more info they find on the shooter and his family, the more the MSM will want to ditch this story.

I guess the MSM is starting to learn though, as they did not come out in five minutes after the event, and call him a tea party member.

I will bet they were die hard liberal Obama supporters, they will not want to talk about his taste in video games, his taste in music, and if he was gay, there will not be a peep.

I could be wrong, but we shall see.

It is always interesting how libs try to gain much ground in things that are sensational.

As tragic as this is, and as much as it seems that these are common place, it is actually very rare. More kids drowned, die in car wrecks, and accidental deaths. those that die of homicide generally are killed outside of school, and of school killings the rarest are the mass shootings like this.

There will not be a peep from the MSM showing that blacks make up 12.5% of the population but do half the nations murders, and most of the youth murders are black shooters and black victims. if we could lower black murder to the level of white murder, we would drop murder rates by almost 40%.

The MSM will also not tell you that while we have the highest civilian gun ownership in the world (88 guns per 100 civilians) they will not tell you that 25 nations have higher murder rates with guns.

Honduras has the highest gun violence rate in the world, and they have 6.6 guns per 100 civilians.
I wish I could have been in that school yesterday. Armed or not, I would have like to hit him like a pit bull and sunk my teeth into the side of his head.

There needs to be more "sick in the head dumbass control" not more gun control!! Sick muther fuckers like this will keep doing stupid shit like this weather they have "guns" or not!!!!

The goofy MSM claiming Obama has to wipe away tears over the Newtown shooting. Zoom in, and you will notice a lack of any tear. This is actually a picture of Obama giving the middle finger to the second amendment

Folks would do well to actually study the statistics. Mass murder has dropped in the last decade (as more state now allow open carry). Libs are always looking to make ground via sensationalism, but they ignore the facts.

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Pres Obama claims he wants some changes that work, well I got one. Stop calling schools “gun free” zones, and have one or a couple of trained marksman in every school that are armed. Kind of like having air marshals. Gun free zone just lets the nut know it is the one place he can go, kill, and not be stopped.

The trained marksman could be the principal a teacher, or a retired cop looking for a part time job. It could be a disabled vet…..

Turn this into something smart, not something stupid like a gun grab that violates our 2nd amendment

Guns are the reason for these mass murders in schools??? Ok... What about these few guys in china that have gone to schools in china in the past few years and murdered 20 and thirty kids and teachers with nothing but a knife!!! So all in all we should blame the airplanes that crashed into federal building too huh? Wtf!! Did anyone blame the chambers and ovens that Hitler killed the thousands of people in?? Or how about the bomb in oklahoma?? Bombs fault??? Give me a break!!


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I don't carry because I'm scared of people with guns I'm scared of some of the people that are allowed to populate.


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^^^^ I would say not sad but lucky in this day and time....other schools will follow in the near future.

I agree why not have them at ALL schools not just public high schools around here........ That's what I think is sad!!

In various debates on here, i like to point out to Idacraw that in the 1950s, we had prayer, Bible, and instructed creation in our public schools, and we were top in the world in math and science. Libs generally hate facts such as that.

In that same decade, you could go to the local hardware store, and for next to nothing could purchase a M1carbine. You could also get twenty and thirty round magazines for it. It could just have easily been used for a mass murder. Why were there no such shootings at our schools back then?

If you study school shootings, and murder of school age children, you will see that it started to happen around the same time (1963) that we started teaching evolution. When we ditched the Ten Commandments, we also ditched the one that said "though shalt not kill"


I would also say that we lost discipline. Dr Spoc tought America that spankings were bad, and that we are supposed to let little Johnny express himself. Look at the pics of this recent shooter. What the heck is up with that haircut? It looks like the freaking liberty bell on his head. You will also notice that folks claim he was "Goth". In the 1950s young men were expected do dress and act like men. Now we have kids walking around looking like freaks and weirdoes, and wonder why they act like freaks. Had I gone home, with a freaky haircut, and declared myself Goth, my dad’s hand would have gone upside my head so hard, that Goth was no longer an option, and he would have taken a razor to my head as a lesson why we do not have stupid looking haircuts.

President Obama has men armed with guns that go everywhere his wife, daughters, and he go. It is their job to protect the President and his family with their lives.

Does he plan on disarming these secret service agents?

If he deserves protection by armed me with guns, then do my daughters and wife not deserve protection also?

What makes his family better than mine?

It's like sayin spoons and forks make people fat. Bob costas is an idiot. Let his body guard not carry a gun and see how he likes being protected. If they ban guns bad people will still get them and kill. They need to make it legal to carry open and not concealed. If some one sees that a person has a .45 on their hip they more than likely won't jack with em. We need less government and let all the libs move to California.

Since you keep saying that is fact I look forward to reading the empirical studies that you are quoting from. So if you could please provide some links to independent research that shows there is s correlation like you claim, should be easy since it is a fact there has to be studies showing that.

Did you know that diet soda was first introduced in 1963, and diet Pepsi came out in 1965? It is a well known fact that sodas with lower calories but with the same taste as regular soda is responsible for lower math and science scores and an increase in violence and gang activity.

Also if you look at crime statistics for the entire history of America you can clearly see that rape, murder, and drug use had been increasing every year since the signing of the declaration of independence. It is a fact that signing that document is directly related to violent crime, before it was signed there was nearly no crime in our country. The founding fathers are to blame.

There Idacraw goes again with his Anti American rants.

What makes you hate this nation so much?

Obviously you do not study crime stats, as we have had periods where crime grows, and periods when it falls. In the last ten years, mass murders fell. They were actually highest in 1926. From 1964 to 1998 there was a continual growth in mass murders, but then states started passing less restrictive gun laws, and we saw a drop.

When liberal judges took over the courst in the 60s, we saw record crime that shot even higher in the 70s.

While I do argue that getting rid of prayer, Bible, and creation played a part in our drop in math and science, there are other factors.

In the 60s we had the surge in rock music. It went from do wop do wop of the 50s, to Janice Joplin, Hendrix, the Doors..... It was tied to the hippie revolution, and also tied to the drug culture and rebellion.

We also saw a drop in discipline in our schools, to where we are today, when the zoo animals actually run the zoo.

So once again you can't back up your bs claims with anything other than opinion, shocker.

And how exactly is any of that an anti American rant? Looks like you are just trying to shift attention from the fact that you are talking out of your ass again. My comments were made to show just how ridiculous your arguments are. If any one is anti American here it is you. You are the one trying to force the entire country to believe as you do, you even attack other Christians and their churches because they are slightly different from your beliefs.

Don't get mad and start slinging wild allegations just because you can't provide any of the "facts" you claim.

Video games, MTV, and now rock and roll...

Looks like you want to do away with everything that you don't like. You are the kind of person the founding fathers had in mind when they left England, you wish to oppress our freedoms in favour of your personal beliefs. I think the real question you should be asking is why YOU hate America so much.

And the plot thickens!

Dom, dom, dommm.

I think ranger makes more since by accident then idacraw does with research, just sayin...

Idacraw

Along with believing in the second amendment, I equally believe in the first amendment.

People can worship the way they see fit. I may have a disagreement with the Roman Catholic Government in Rome, but I love catholic people, and have some good friends that are catholic. I served with Just Scalia's son, and he is Catholic and a heck of a good man (like his dad). Because I disagree with a tenant of another denomination does not mean that I want to shut them down. I support their way to worship as they see fit.

I believe in free speech, and in that, I believe you can listen to the type of music you want, you can watch MTV, you can be a Muslim.

All that being said, I speak the truth.

Facts remain facts. We were top in the world academically in math and science in the 1950s. We started dropping in the 60s

Do you disagree that the rock music was not intrinsically tied to the rebellion and the hippie movement of the 60s? If you do, you obviously never looked at Woodstock. The music was the movement, and it was all tied to rebellion.

Fill in the blank for me. Drug, sex, and _____ __ _____? If you guessed Rock and Roll, then you are correct. The underlying denominator in those three is rebellion.

This may sound a bit simplistic, but I believe it. Had we never had an MTV, there would have never been a president Obama. MTV took a culture and piped into every household in America. In a few short years, we had white kids in Iowa throwing gang signs, listening to gangster rap, and wanting to be thugs. We took a jungle, ghetto culture, and impressed it on the youth of the nations. MTV sold young white girls the lie that it is a good thing to lay up with nappy headed, baggy pants wearing thugs.

I do not believe Biblically that interracial marriage is necessarily wrong. MTV was not pushing for girls to go find an Asian computer programmer, and get married. They were pushing for girls to glorify thugs, and lay up with them. The off spring of black and whites generally view themselves as black, and generally vote liberal. MTV had a plan to change a nation, and I believe they were patient, and knew what they were doing.

Once again, you may hate me, you still know that after dropping prayer, Bible, and creation, we dropped in the world standings in Math and Science, and as always, you still cannot give a reasonable explanation why

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tchauvin. Hey man, I think you hurt Idacraw's feelings. He gets on here, and tries so hard to recruit for Marxism, and yet he is never able to produce a convert.

I sometimes wonder if Soros is paying him for his posts. If so, Soros is getting ripped off, as Idacraw is failing at convincing us simple minded folk at buying into communsim.

Are you two clowns gonna be at SETX?

Not sure if I am one of the two clowns, or what SETX is?

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It's like the new academy. Its where you go to settle forum disputes.

Sounds like my kind of place. Set it up.

Ranger,,if you notice...He is a poster child for the democrats. When losing,,,he reverts to low blows insults and just some sissy immature school yard comments and insults!!! Common sense has excaped him....

Ranger since you claim to be so schooled in debate then you should know that the burden of proof is on you. You made the claim that prayer being removed and teaching evolution is responsible for the academic decline of our country. I asked you to state your source, it's simple you make the claim, you back if up. If it's not my responsibility in a debate to prove you wrong, you are responsible for proving that you are right. Our does that also make me anti American? Put up or shut up, there is just as much proof that diet soda it's to blame as there is for prayer being removed. And now you blame Woodstock? Like a drowning man grasping at straws.

And for the record I already have you a very solid reason for the decline in education in another topic, funny that you ignored it or forgot already. You seem to have a blind spot for real facts, which makes sense considering your religion considers seeking knowledge as a sin. And also for the record, your tirade against MTV and interracial marriage is racist, but let me guess you have a friend that is black.

Idacraw,

Anti American is not a name, it is a description (one that you fit). You routinely bash this nation, you continually praise socialist nations.



You mock the founding fathers, you defend Islam but despise Christianity. Face it, you are anti America and you are a Marxist.

I thought you were a prior Marine? Chesty Puller would puke if he saw the communist crap that you spew daily on here.

Now stop acting like a sniveling wuss, toughen up and act like a man. If you get down and knock out a few pushups, perhaps your Marxist body will stop defending the sodomites, will generate some testosterone and you will act like a Marine?