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benelli08
MMT F.E.
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:42 pm Posts: 763
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 Sand
Is there ne thing that you can do to a prop to make it last longer in sand cause I'm going throuh a prop every 40-50 hours and they ain't cheap
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txmudcutter
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:08 am Posts: 2307 Location: Nederland, TX (SETX)
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 Re: Sand
Sand is the devil
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WestEndAngler
MMT Moderator
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:11 am Posts: 9143 Location: Houston | Surfside
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 Re: Sand
Yeah, dont run in 10" or less... Pole through it.
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benelli08
MMT F.E.
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:42 pm Posts: 763
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 Re: Sand
My entire lease is sand and the deepest it gets is about a foot. I'm not about to push pole 1 mile to the camp then another 1/2 mile to the blind
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:48 am |
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CJB
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:46 am Posts: 5216 Location: Across the Bayou, LA
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 Re: Sand
Get an airboat
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WestEndAngler
MMT Moderator
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:11 am Posts: 9143 Location: Houston | Surfside
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 Re: Sand
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benelli08
MMT F.E.
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:42 pm Posts: 763
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 Re: Sand
3 of the guys on our lease have air boats. Lil expensive I was thinking more along the lines of trying to get one hardened
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:55 am |
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msm8281
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:50 pm Posts: 9673 Location: New Iberia, La.
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 Re: Sand
Long tail
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Quack Stackin
MMT F.E.
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:07 pm Posts: 759 Location: NE ALABAMA
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 Re: Sand
a foot or less with sand bottom? take the four wheeler...
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swampbilly
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:08 pm Posts: 1054 Location: Dam-b, Texas
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 Re: Sand
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:36 pm |
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Walkers Bay Synd
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:28 am Posts: 1913 Location: Southland, New Zealand
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 Re: Sand
An Argo
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:03 pm |
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CCC
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:25 am Posts: 1685
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 Re: Sand
^^^ with an outboard
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:16 pm |
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Walkers Bay Synd
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:28 am Posts: 1913 Location: Southland, New Zealand
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 Re: Sand
_________________ Quote: We had a lot of hunters from down under. All a bunch of great guys that liked to drink, root, and shoot shit in the dark. My kind of people.
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:45 pm |
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benelli08
MMT F.E.
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:42 pm Posts: 763
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 Re: Sand
Ok I should have named topic can u get a prop hardened cause that is what I want to know I know they sell a sand rock guard for gator tail but don't know of any one that runs one
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msm8281
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:50 pm Posts: 9673 Location: New Iberia, La.
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HH_Kennels
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:55 pm Posts: 181 Location: Mineola, Texas
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 Re: Sand
Try ceramic coating... that stuff is harder than a whores dream^
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ak
MMT F.E.
Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:09 am Posts: 897 Location: MATAGETDOWN, TX
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 Re: Sand
20 hours and I'm through a prop but I ain't stopin I asked this question some people said mud buddy prop is higher Rockefeller or some shit that means its harder metal and it also has a bigger leading edge but they also said I'd loose speed with it so basically what I got was either accept the fact that sand will wear your prop or buy an airboat. I had a long tail and ran it in the same condition and my prop didn't last any longer but I tend to not give a f@&$ so maybe if you baby it it would work
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Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:19 pm |
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txmudcutter
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:08 am Posts: 2307 Location: Nederland, TX (SETX)
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deadbird8
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:50 pm Posts: 3833 Location: Old East Dallas, Texas
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 Re: Sand
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BlueShamu
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:13 pm Posts: 5605 Location: D'town, LA
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 Re: Sand
Just thinking about this from refinery experience with various alloys, you obviously have to find the right mixture of hardness vs ductility. In general, the harder the metal, the more brittle it becomes. You may get something very erosion resistant in sand but the first solid submerged object your prop hits, you break a blade.
Ceramic coating would offer some resistance. But, it would also be brittle and easily chipped or broken off.
Maybe a weld overlay hard facing using something like a Stellite 12 would probably work when you go to have old prop reworked.
Have one built out of titanium or tungsten or Hastalloy. Probably not very affective. You would have to do it at least once to compare life between the stainless and other alloy. But these are brittle alloys, also.
There are several companies out there that offer thermal spray coatings for corrosion/erosion resistance. If you know somebody in that field, it could be a cheap experiment to see how long that stuff holds up.
My curiosity is piqued with this because I run some very sandy and sandy loam type areas and am sure I have a lot of wear going on.
This is my first year with my MM. After hunting season, I will give something a try and let everybody know the results.
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Moultrie
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:06 pm Posts: 82
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 Re: Sand
We use a carbide coating on our carbon chutes at work. That stuff is hard as woodpecker lips. Pretty expensive though.
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Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:07 am |
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mud slinger 69
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:27 pm Posts: 1194 Location: Utah
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 Re: Sand
All we have is sand. Ya burn a prop in 30 -40 hrs. Its just the way it is.
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Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:01 pm |
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Docott
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:07 pm Posts: 1451
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 Re: Sand
I know it's unlikely to last, but...Ceracote or one of the other gun coats would be a relatively inexpensive experiment. Yea, I know. Mount a reversin' plate under the skeg 
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Walkers Bay Synd
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:28 am Posts: 1913 Location: Southland, New Zealand
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Ok now I'm thinking too. Does anybody do them in steel, now hear me out, I worked for a company we built farm equipment and farm equipment runs in abrasive environment all day long. Our plough mole boards were pressed from wearalloy. Hard facing is an interesting idea too, but if an digger can work a beach not wear a bucket off I think we could expect better from props.
_________________ Quote: We had a lot of hunters from down under. All a bunch of great guys that liked to drink, root, and shoot shit in the dark. My kind of people.
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Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:38 pm |
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msm8281
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:50 pm Posts: 9673 Location: New Iberia, La.
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Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:02 pm |
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Walkers Bay Synd
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:28 am Posts: 1913 Location: Southland, New Zealand
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 Re: Sand
_________________ Quote: We had a lot of hunters from down under. All a bunch of great guys that liked to drink, root, and shoot shit in the dark. My kind of people.
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Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:18 pm |
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msm8281
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:50 pm Posts: 9673 Location: New Iberia, La.
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 Re: Sand
The problem with props is that u don't have much there to begin with. Once they wear just a little they're shot. Farm equipment on the other hand is beefed up to the max. It takes a considerable amount of wear before it starts to effect performance.
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Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:27 pm |
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CCC
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:25 am Posts: 1685
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 Re: Sand
We got stainless props that get fucked up in sand, deal with it
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Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:22 pm |
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Walkers Bay Synd
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:28 am Posts: 1913 Location: Southland, New Zealand
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 Re: Sand
_________________ Quote: We had a lot of hunters from down under. All a bunch of great guys that liked to drink, root, and shoot shit in the dark. My kind of people.
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Walkers Bay Synd
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:28 am Posts: 1913 Location: Southland, New Zealand
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 Re: Sand
_________________ Quote: We had a lot of hunters from down under. All a bunch of great guys that liked to drink, root, and shoot shit in the dark. My kind of people.
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Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:24 am |
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SwampSlut
MMT Addict
Joined: Tue May 15, 2012 4:14 am Posts: 577 Location: B.C. - NOLA
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diamond coated/impregnated blade if that dont get it nothin will!
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Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:49 am |
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BlueShamu
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:13 pm Posts: 5605 Location: D'town, LA
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A prop with bling. I want one!
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Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:26 am |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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 Re: Sand
Get a hovercraft you lazy azz!
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Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:41 am |
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Smoke
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:27 pm Posts: 1095 Location: SW Michigan
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Here in Michigan just about everywhere you run is either sand or sand mixed mud or rocks. So push pole everywhere and forget the mm? Yea ok I wear a prop out a couple times a year. I've tried to reweld them but never seem to perform like the stock prop. I have access to a ceramic coater I use for some of my machine details at work. I may give the ole boy a call and ship it out with my next batch of details to get coated. It can't hurt to try. Whats the worse that could happen......it wears out again.
I have a brand new bb here i'm going to send out for ceramic coating. Smoke
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Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:32 am |
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Woodiebuster
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:00 pm Posts: 6060 Location: Choudrant, La
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 Re: Sand
Gotta pay to play!
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:28 pm |
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Mag10
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:31 pm Posts: 342 Location: Faribault, Mn
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About 10 years back, I did some prop testing with one of the mud motor manufacturers where we had 3-4 blades cryogenically tempered. The testing did show an increase in life, but untill you get to the point where you can fill a cryo chamber with props, it is not very cost effective per prop. At that time the manufacturer was using a 17-4 SS material in their prop and decided that it was much more cost effective to precipation harden it to an H900 or H1150 which can be done in an inexpensive heat treat oven.
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:23 pm |
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tylerduckman
MMT F.E.
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:40 pm Posts: 844 Location: Tyler TX
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 Re: Sand
Stay away from it. Honestly , or buy new props often .
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