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LongTail or ShortTail build ????
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Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:20 pm ]
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Hey guy's i'm new here like a lot MMT !!!!

I was looking at all the topics regarding building my own MudMotor and by reading all the topics I am more motivated to do one. Because where I hunt water levels can change very fast so one week-end I can go in with my 25hp mercury and the week- end after you have to get the motor up and go with the minnkota...... so I am thinking of upgrading and i would like to build one because I live in Quebec, Canada and these motors are expensive like hell !!!!!! So I am thinking about building a shortTail but after reading it looks easier to build a longTail. I have a 1436 Jon Boat and I am aiming for speed. Can someone help me please ???? :D

I checked the plans sold on ebay and maybe if I decide by doing a long tail I will buy them but I would really like to build a short tail....

ramz007
Author:  Bayoublackhunter [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:34 pm ]
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If ya aiming for speed stay with the outboard,
Author:  garrettpearce [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:42 pm ]
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hes meaning compared to a longtail, unless you buy a 31 like b coonass lol
Author:  Woodiebuster [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:10 pm ]
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your hardest thing to do on a surface drive will be the transom brackets.

A mm is a ton heavier than an outboard too.

I have a 2 stroke 25 and a 13 longtail and I can barley handle the lt by myself.
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:49 pm ]
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Garrettpearce you're bullseye I am comparing it to the speed of the short tail vs the longTail......

what do you think guy's I should go with ??? number of Hp ....
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:54 pm ]
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Hey Woodiebuster the transom bracket I have ot figured out what is fooling me now is the shaft.... I know its almost the same for the both except the long has a U-joint and the shorttail is a Strap or Chain to make it turn the prop I can fix something but my main concern now is the shaft with all the bearings etc......

For the handle I am not worried after a few times on the water I am sure I'll be good. ;)
Author:  garrettpearce [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:59 pm ]
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i have thought about it a thousand times and i have everything on paper except the shaft. if you have access to a machine shop it would be fairly easy
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:05 pm ]
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Yesss I have access to a machine shop :) but I saw a motor that was done all in aluminium .... Do you think it would be better ??? but if it is metal my uncle has a machine shop so I would be fine but I think we have the same issue lol the shaft.....

I thought of putting the pulley on the shaft smaller than the one on the motor bigger so I could get more rotation on the prop. do you think that will matter with anything ??
Author:  garrettpearce [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:12 pm ]
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go all aluminum heres a website that will hava alot of what your looking for...............mcmaster.com
Author:  Woodiebuster [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:12 pm ]
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you better have a 350 up top, that thing will have NO bottom end.
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:13 pm ]
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here are the aluminium short tail motor pictures:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22 ... 011016.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22 ... 011016.jpg
Author:  Woodiebuster [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:16 pm ]
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If you go the sd route, will the frame be weighted back or balanced?
Author:  garrettpearce [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:17 pm ]
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if you put the small pulley on the bottom you would have to put a small diameter prop on it and it wouldnt be a surface drive
Author:  garrettpearce [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:18 pm ]
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if your building a small one build it where it would be weighted to the prop as if the engine were hanging off the back of the boat
Author:  garrettpearce [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:20 pm ]
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also hf has 13hp for under $400 and theres tons of mods for them at affordablegokarts.com
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:24 pm ]
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hey mcmaster.com is an awesome site and i can find everything but i don't think they ship to canada.....
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:24 pm ]
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What do you mean woodie by the sd route ???
Author:  garrettpearce [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:25 pm ]
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surface drive
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:31 pm ]
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What do you think will be best I was thinking about going weighted back but do you think balanced will be better ?
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:32 pm ]
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thanks garrett ... :)
Author:  Woodiebuster [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:35 pm ]
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Either way you'll have to find out how to keep your prop at a desired level.
Author:  garrettpearce [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:37 pm ]
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i would go weighted back so that the prop will stay in the water easier while running
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:45 pm ]
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Ok.

I am thinking now about the shaft....

Do you think I shoul put bushings or bearing in the shaft between the inside one end the outside one ???

I was thinking bearings but saw that some putted bushings.
Author:  Woodiebuster [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:45 pm ]
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yeah but its not gunna stay at the surface more than likley, especially when he lets off the motor... hes gunna have to have some kinda trim.
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:58 pm ]
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I was thinking about something like that Woodie look how this guy made his transom mount:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxvkzZmdxr0[/youtube]
Author:  Woodiebuster [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:01 pm ]
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itd do okay, but you cant fine tune much and would be a bitch to reset every time you hit somethin.
Author:  ramz007 [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:06 pm ]
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yeah thats it but i am thinking of doing a way so when the motor hits something its bouces up like and outboard... More work but i think its worth it ......
Author:  ramz007 [ Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:56 pm ]
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how big you think the inside shaft should be ????
Author:  Woodiebuster [ Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:52 pm ]
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Figure out what prop your usin first.
Author:  ramz007 [ Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:39 pm ]
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for that i have to know what hp I'll be running
Author:  garrettpearce [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:56 am ]
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have you ever seen a copperhead?
Author:  ramz007 [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:09 am ]
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what do you mean by copperhead ?
Author:  Woodiebuster [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:17 pm ]
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search.php?keywords=copperhead&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=5&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search
Author:  ramz007 [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:57 pm ]
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ah Ok the mud motor. Ya I heard about it. But here where I live we only have mudbuddy's and go-devil. trying to find one use but No ONE has any !! So that is why I am going to build one ;)
Author:  ramz007 [ Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:58 pm ]
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hey woodie look a this guy :
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