I can spell and punctuate properly if I choose to. The topic was dog training not spelling or grammar 101 so if you are a school teacher there are forums for your type other than that pretend to be a dog trainer and give dog training advice .

Another thing for the English major is comprehension if u read and understand this post you will see the author ask for advice then after several people give him solid advice he goes on to say he knows what to do and how he will correct it .This is the reason his dog has the problem because the owner doesn't listen therefore the dog will only be as smart as the owner and in some cases that is just messed up.

Calm the hell down! i was messing with you!

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I'm calm u remind me of my 9th grade English teacher lol having flash backs now

Oh shit.... Didn't want to do that! My bad:shock:

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Yep she was a 300 lb woman with more facial hair than me lol pretty scary

More facial hair than you at the time in 9th grade!? Or now?

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Now

Ugh.....

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You may not wanna hear it the way they said it but Jeremiah and aka are right on this one. Now as far as use of punctuation you definitely have a point!

I never claimed to know everything about dog training hence why I started this thread. I have been working on FF my pup and he has made definite improvements. The main command that has help him the most was teaching him hold. When he would start to go off with birds before I would call him to front and he would drop the bird then come back to me. Ive been taking him on short walks while making him carry a bird and making corrections when he drops it. He made a couple good retrieves saturday. But decided to leave him home sunday because temps were near freezing and the werent a whole lot of birds around where he would get enough work to make it worth while. thanks to those who actually gave helpful advice.

Pud, this is the thing to remember. There will be guys on here that preach gospel - that's fine for people that believe in one thing and lack the capacity to realize there's more than one way to skin a cat. Fact is, dogs don't learn on the same scale - just like dumbass's and smart ass people. You got your scholarship peops and your "barely made thru grade school" peops. Some dogs need different motivation than others, some need different approaches than others - some dogs will never learn, no matter how seasoned the trainer (a true trainer will admit to this), but the fact is, "to each - his own". Every situation is unique, and you have to be able to recognize what's unique about that situation and how that applies to your case (subject). You have to read or take in as much advice as you can and decipher what parts applies to your unique situation. NO One rule applies....


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If I left my dog at home every time temps were near freezing he wouldn't hunt much.


Dude, it's what they do.

I understand, I was thinking well they were bred to retrieve in cold weather all the way to the launch and I should have taken him. we only got 2 birds the day before and 1 on sunday. his mat blew out of the boat and sunk i didnt want to freeze his ass to the bottom of the boat. He was pretty disappointed that i put him back in the house and kind of felt bad for leaving him home. He goes nuts when he sees the boat loaded up and gets to put his vest on. We are on the leading edge of a push of birds with temps up north below freezing at night and snow that this weekend should be good so I will get him back out again.

Love that snow pic!

I take mine even when we have to break ice, then I use my judgement on when I send him(thickness of ice). A well trained dog will not break and only go after a bird if sent.

Goose 119 pm me

im sure this has been posted already but i got tired of reading the same shit over and over. This is how i did it (was taught first hand by a pro dog trainer that im best friends with now). started on obiedience when i got the dog at 8 weeks old, collar conditioned at 5 months, force fetched in three weeks. meaning from the beginging stages of force fetch to a back pile bein able to take a back left or back right command in three weeks. Had her seasoned level on whistle and hand signals (except angles) by 10 months old. now this came with consistency, every day 6-7 days a week i trained her from the time she was 8 weeks to 10 months. the whole stopping and running around and not coming back to you is easy bullshit that can be fixed with a shock collar, if you dont believe in shock collars then oh well sounds like a personal problem. if the dog knows back and knows here and knows over and starts fighting with you and playing dumb and has proving himself to you that he knows all that shit then you put him in the hott zone, turn that fucking shock collar up repeating the same command over and over and over until the dog does it, he knows what you want and he knows how to get out of the hot zone. as soon as he listens send him on the exact same command again and if he does the same shit, then just repeat the first step with the shock collar, keep doing that until the dog gets it (pretty much saying ok your the boss i got it) as far as obiedience goes you shouldnt bring a dog in the blind until his obiedience is perfected, his force fetching is done (not necessarily on a back pile but good enough to where the dog holds it and brings it to you and sits with it in his mouth till you say drop) and also dont bring him to the blind till he doesnt leave your side till commanded to do so. now if ur dog does heal until told to do so but kinda starts gettin sloppy on you while hunting, simple fix, put your gun down and let the others shoot and concentrate on your dog, every time the dog breaks beat his ass or shock him (good to have a choke collar and leash for this in the blind with you if its the first hunting season for a dog)

but you should not progress to collar conditiong or force fetching or ANYTHING till obidience is PERFECTED, nobody likes to hunt with a dog with no obidience, id rather leave that some bitch at the house and get the birds myself. when i say perfect i mean say sit and the dog dont move until u say so even if that means you leave him sittin in the same spot for 10 mins, if u say sit or heal and walk off and come back and the dog has moved whip his ass and drag him back to the same spot by the skin on his neck and make him sit again.

now you've heard me say whip the dogs ass and shock it and all that nonsense, you only do this with the dog once u know that the dog knows it and its just trying to play dumb and push your buttons. labs are extremely smart and will do anything to push your buttons and play dumb (specially males) when they do this and act out stop what your doing and take them back to pre-school, sounds silly i know, but labs hate it when u stop doing the fun stuff with them and go back to basic obiedience pre-school, its like punishment for them.

everything i have just said i did with my dog, i just went 4 for 4 with her this past month and got her seasoned HRC, she is deff a finished caliber dog, but ran her in seasoned bc this is the first time ive ever dog any HRC hunt tests and i wanted to set me and her up for success to get our confidence up, sounds silly i know, but dogs feed off of your composure, u nervous or having a bad day, the dog will most likely notice it and not perform well, its happened to me.

now for those of you that disagree with me, go ahead and say what you have to say i really dont give a flying fuck.

i know what i am saying works, i have my dog to prove it. She is a beast. blind retrieves on hand signals and whistle up to 250yrds (even though thats farther than any retrieve when hunting) angle casts, will hold the duck or whatever i want until i say drop it. if ur dog is FF properly you should be able to point to anything on the ground and say fetch and the dog should pick it up. I can take a bumper and shove it in her face hit her on the head with it on the face with it and she will constantly fight me and move her head around bc she knows she better not take whats in my hand until i say hold.

alright let the blasting of my post commence, lol i know its coming.

hope this helps any of you that actually need the help

^^^^^
Badass post. Man speaks the truth.

^^^^ what an a**hole

And to think, that's reproducing....


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Exactly

While I'm sure pintail_89 is very proud of his dog, I see a lot of holes in his description of his training process.

The use of terms like "CC At 5 months" and " 3 weeks for FF" tends to put absolute timelines on the training flow, which in my experience varies with every dog. I also disagree with hot spot training in general, although I do do it occasionally.

One thing I do agree with is to make sure the dog knows his OB before introduction of the e-collar.

I stand by my recommendation to the OP to get the first edition of the Mike Lardy articles. It's only $30 or so with shipping.
Start at square one and then keep moving forward.

I bought the Lardy articles, to me they seemed pretty jumbled and hard to get through. Seemed like great reading material for an advanced trainer but for the amateur trying to learn new stuff they didn't seem all that useful. Not a lot of explanation for stuff I think he assumes his readers already know.

I'm the exact opposite. To me they're very clear.

But, any good program will do.

My point remains for the OP to get something to follow as an overall guide.

And I left a few out

pattern blinds, cold blinds? to me that all has to do with hand signals.

after she had the back pile down back left back right, then i started with the T pattern with my overs, then progress to a double T. After she proved to me she had the over down, then i put a pile at the back of the T and every time i told her back and she would check up like she was anticpating an over cast i would knick her back. I did the T pattern and double T pattern over and over until she was 100% on the concept of over and back. I then moved to blinds with white T post to start out with the help of her lineing. I stayed with the white t-post for a while before moving to orange. i hammered the blind retrieves more so than marks. i would send her back have to handle her a little bit to get to it, and then send her straight back to the same one bc she would remember where it was at and line it, then move to the next blind and so on and so fourth. after gettin that i started increasing the distance. By sending her back to the same one over and over, it helped build her confidence to trust me, that when i tell her back she trusts that there is something back there. Now thats how i did it, dont know about anyone else. but practing and training on blinds like that has benefited me greatly.

Lets just consider hold, fetch, walking fetch, stick fetch, and back pile. 5 steps and that's not including going over everything with a collar that's less than 5 days on each step. That don't happen. And your dog didn't do water force it's not finished just my opinion with the little knowledge I have