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TrevorFox34
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Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:46 pm Posts: 50 Location: Leesville, LA
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
Does anyone know a way to preserve a duck for training a dog? I have herd of drying them out, i have herd to just freeze them and pull em out when needed. Also what about wings..I have herd to coat them in salt for three days and let them dry out then use them.. any ideas at all would be greatly appreciated!
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duckduckboom
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Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:33 pm Posts: 5603 Location: Corner of Hell an high water, La
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
Freeze them whole.
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:52 pm |
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hunt682
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Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:43 am Posts: 1127 Location: Camilla, Georgia
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
Why waste a whole duck training a dog. Cut the wings off and tie them to a bumper. People kill me throwing a whole damn duck to train a dog. Forking dumbasses.
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:03 pm |
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med
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:25 am Posts: 6432 Location: the dark side of the moon
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
Or se a rubber band instead of trying to tie the wing to the bumper
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:07 pm |
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duckduckboom
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Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:33 pm Posts: 5603 Location: Corner of Hell an high water, La
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
Or you can call one of the guys I know who train professionally and ask them. They buy or raise their ducks for training. Dumbass
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:28 pm |
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mw46
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Joined: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:59 am Posts: 172 Location: mississippi
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
A wing tied to a bumper is NOT the same as throwing a dead duck. To the OP jus throw em in the freezer
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POKER1
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:02 pm Posts: 6243 Location: Bossier City
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
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Beadlejuicejr
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Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:11 pm Posts: 1435 Location: Bayou vista, Louisiana
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
We used pigeons with clipped wings just saying it doesn't have to be duck all your trying to achieve is them spotting a bird some what flyin and them it's like finding a wounded
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:26 pm |
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BradS
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:23 am Posts: 4514 Location: Lafayette, La
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
You want them to pick the bird up not the birds wing --- Shoot some poule dou and use them if nothing else -- I have a few birds in the freezer just for this purpose
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SCmudder7071
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
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Migrator
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Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:29 pm Posts: 3227 Location: Black River, MS
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
The wings work for starting dogs on feathers but the birds are more realistic once you get them going. The freezer will do fine but refreeze them after use. You can get a few uses and then get rid of them. Ya'll take it easy on GA......They kill so few ducks over there they don't want to waste one on having a better dog. Oh yeah, they don't really need a dog to pick up the half dozen they kill in a season!
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:34 pm |
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TrevorFox34
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Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:46 pm Posts: 50 Location: Leesville, LA
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
_________________ Do not let a flattering woman coax and wheedle you and deceive you; she is after your barn.
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:18 pm |
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med
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
Even freezing them they still start stinkin pretty quick.
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:43 pm |
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dguidry
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm Posts: 11166 Location: Cecilia, LA
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
Make sure your duck does not waddle away. He should be kept in a large cage with a pool of water to swim in. When he starts getting his adult feathers begin throwing him up in the air to introduce him to flying. Don't force him or throw him to high. Make it fun for him. Stand in front of him and flap your arms up and down quickly to simulate flying. If he's from good stock he'll get the idea about what he's supposed to do. Eventually you'll throw him up in the air and he won't come down. Then you know he's ready for advanced training. If it's winter get your compass and face him in a southerly direction and throw him in the air. If it's summer then wait till winter to begin advanced training. Join a duck club to learn about more techniques. He will be ready for migration trials before you know it. Good luck.
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dguidry
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
Bumped to put in viewing rotation for today.
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chaseh
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
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dguidry
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm Posts: 11166 Location: Cecilia, LA
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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hunt682
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Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:43 am Posts: 1127 Location: Camilla, Georgia
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
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hunt682
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
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hunt682
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
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keestan31
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
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mw46
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Joined: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:59 am Posts: 172 Location: mississippi
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
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med
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
Also f you work him/her with a real bird you might want to feed your dog first. First time I used a real duck with mine a used a teal. I managed to get the head back..the rest he scarfed down.
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POKER1
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:02 pm Posts: 6243 Location: Bossier City
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
_________________ 18x48 Charles Leonard / 36PD
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hunt682
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
Ok I give up you guys win.
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hunt682
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
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POKER1
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
_________________ 18x48 Charles Leonard / 36PD
"I do think there is a Squatch in these woods"!!!!!
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hunt682
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Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:43 am Posts: 1127 Location: Camilla, Georgia
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
No that's alabama and the last one fell out this morning
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Migrator
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
When I had dogs to train, I would take a few spoonies or a couple ring-necks and use for this. Also would use birds that may have been shot all to pieces or birds w/ real bad rice breast.
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SCmudder7071
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
Has anyone else realized that hunt is beginning to take the place of brasso as most hated? Haha. No offense brasso
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Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:32 pm |
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TrevorFox34
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Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:46 pm Posts: 50 Location: Leesville, LA
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
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Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:33 pm |
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TrevorFox34
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how do i preserve a duck for training?
[quote="barnes_53"]STFU hunt682....you douche.
Trevor look, its not rocket science bro. Simply put, freeze the bird whole. I have done it for three years now and I promise you if your dog has a nose and knows how to use it then it doesn't matter.[/quote
ight bud I appreciate your help! I will freeze them! Didn't have the intentions of turning this into a bashing thread....but carry on its entertaining! Haha
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POKER1
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
Be a good idea to see if you can find a source for live or fresh killed farm raised birds in you area. Check you local COOP. They can probably send you in the right direction.
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KwickLabs
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
I use real birds as much as possible when training. Near the garage, there's a chest freezer where they are stored. In addition, I have a small dormer type refrigerator that will keep ducks at 32 degrees (just freezing). The "birds of the week" are kept in there. Each bird is stored as dry as possible and always wrapped in clean, dry newspapers. The newspaper absorbs excess water. I take them out of the freezer and let them thaw a bit before each training session. It is important to time the "thaw" so that they are still firm in the middle when we train. They last longer doing this. I can usually make a "set" of mallards at least a couple of weeks. It is important to keep the ducks away from flies as much as possible (bucket with a lid). I place them on a drying rack in the shade when training. They are kept in a cooler when transprting.
They get thrown out when I can't stand the smell anymore. Mallards are expensive at usually $8-10 apiece. I have a source of pheasants once in awhile, but they don't hold up as well as ducks.
If you want to get the most out of training, dogs will continually perform better with the real thing. I haven't put a wing on a bumper in ten years. As far as I'm concerned it is a waste of time. A dog knows the difference.
A few years ago there was an article in "The Retriever Journal" titled "The Pros' Secret for Training". It was using real birds all the time.
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Duckdon
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
If I want a whole duck for training: In Alaska using a whole duck for dog training is "wanton waste" and subject to all sorts of legal problems. I take a bird, open the breast and remove the breast meat. Salvage of the breast meat covers the "wanton waste" problem. Then sew up the breast and then I am legal. Freeze it until needed. Use it. Wash it off, dry in overnight and freeze til the next use. I have even removed the body and inserted a bumper on a rope and then sew it up, but that is more trouble than it's worth IMO Duckdon
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POKER1
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
_________________ 18x48 Charles Leonard / 36PD
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KwickLabs
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
"Wonton waste" considerations are not applicable to pen raised mallards. Training ducks are purchased from breeders and are indentified by a clipped toe. In Illinois, I purchase a yearly permit which allows me to use pen raised birds. I carry the permit and purchase receipt with me at all times when training.
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POKER1
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
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KwickLabs
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Re: how do i preserve a duck for training?
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