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Zedro88
MMT Member
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:10 am Posts: 9
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 2003 MB Longtail
I have a 27 HP Kawa longtail on a 648 War Eagle (short transom), it has been a great motor but has become painfully slow, I do not have a tach on it but am sure I am not generating enough RPM. Should I take it to a good small engine guy? and What should I tell them? First post by the way.......... Go easy on me Zedro
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:15 am |
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270Handiman
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:46 pm Posts: 2342 Location: Mandeville, LA
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Make sure you prop is good first.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:16 am |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Put a tach on it.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:17 am |
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Zedro88
MMT Member
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:10 am Posts: 9
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
New Prop, Is the tach installation easy?
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:43 am |
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TNDM
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:23 pm Posts: 66
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Yes its very simple. takes 10 minutes max. Order a Tiny Tach
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:55 am |
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270Handiman
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:46 pm Posts: 2342 Location: Mandeville, LA
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Yes, very easy. It runs off internal battery, so you just wrap the one wire around one of your plug wires.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:56 am |
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Zedro88
MMT Member
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:10 am Posts: 9
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Then I report back?
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:11 am |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
yep
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:18 am |
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Zedro88
MMT Member
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:10 am Posts: 9
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Ok, out of the water 4100RPM, New Prop and still.....Any weight at all in my boat and it will not go, not even close to on plane, 3 guys and I am plowing.
Could it be the shaft and bearings?
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:30 pm |
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Trousertrout
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:18 pm Posts: 1060 Location: Ohio-The land of few ducks
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Rpm's in water ?
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:01 pm |
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Will C
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Also as a quickie . Remove oil filter and pour a little in a spray cam top. Then check for "twinkles" with a flashlight. I have seen a couple flat cams on todays oils. This would be worst case scenario.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:45 pm |
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SwampDonkey1
MMT F.E.
Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:09 pm Posts: 923 Location: North Central KS
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
_________________ 1436 Lowe -Workin for the man, Huntin when I can...-
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:51 pm |
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139sst
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:02 pm Posts: 202
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Did the boat run fine and all of the sudden get sluggish or did you just buy the boat?
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:23 pm |
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Zedro88
MMT Member
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:10 am Posts: 9
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Ok I'm a retard, but I did not leave the tach on, I can but I didn't. I was so confident that I made an impact that I put it in my boat tool box. I went from 3100 RPM max, got it adjusted to 4100 and replaced the prop so I thought...... look out I am going to hit 20 like everyone talks about out of their longtail. My cavitation does not run at the surface (if I was empty and by myself it actually comes out of the water if I don't keep upward pressure), but I would be glad to adjust on it. The RPMs on the water are not even close to stressing the engine. I did notice at one point, I was running along and with no change I all of a sudden hit some sort of sweet spot and my RPMs picked up for a few hundred yards. (by the way I have been shooting duck out of it the whole season but I am limited to short distances, but I am at a crossroads here it's put out or swim for this Kawasaki)
I've had this boat since it was new in 03, it never ran over 16 mph but it had more power than it does now, this summer with my wife (skinny) and 2 toddlers it would not plain.
I can get more RPMs out of 15 inches of water like everyone else but as soon as it gets deep I get an immediate noticeable bogging down.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:38 am |
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SwampDonkey1
MMT F.E.
Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:09 pm Posts: 923 Location: North Central KS
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
bend the end of the plate up to push the plate down, bend the end of the plate down to lift it up... Should be skimming about an inch or so under the surface at WOT
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:09 pm |
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Zedro88
MMT Member
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:10 am Posts: 9
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Do you really think the cavitation will make a difference? Is the 27 Kawasaki Mud Buddy the slowest longtail ever built? the Backwater INC guy said their 27 would push my War Eagle at 20? Do you believe it? Will I ever gain? Do you think the Super Longtail is the answer? or GD? This rig has been ridiculously effective, we can launch it and load it basically on bare dirt. it is small enough to navigate woods with ease. But if I can keep the advantage of the longtail with 20 MPH I would be much happier.
I have always felt that short tails lack the ability to climb over a bank or tree or log jam. Do you guys think there are things a longtail can do that a shorty won't?
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:41 pm |
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Will C
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Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
I beleive the longtails can get u out of a bind when needed. I am a longtail guy. Hope this dosent start the whole long vs short battle. I believe long vs short advantages all depends on wher you are at. Shortys are def faster. Im always gettin whooped. But love my longtail
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:08 pm |
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Will C
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Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
What size new prop do you have? What brand.
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:11 pm |
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Zedro88
MMT Member
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:10 am Posts: 9
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
9X8 inc
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:24 pm |
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Trousertrout
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:18 pm Posts: 1060 Location: Ohio-The land of few ducks
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
The way you hit a sweet spot all of a sudden sounds like a fuel issue. Filter/carb. Might have a gas hose breaking down internally and blocking the gas. When was the last time you had the carb cleaned or rebuilt?
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:14 pm |
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Zedro88
MMT Member
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:10 am Posts: 9
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Never? I did a amateur clean job a year or so ago while putting on a new fuel pump, Are you thinking a carb rebuild?
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:34 pm |
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Will C
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Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
9x8 is alot of prop. I just put one sat and pulled it off today my hopped up 27 wouldnt pull it . This new prop is much fatter than a normal one. If this sounds like your new prop. Then u need to swap it. On a heavy boat i use 9x6 and 9x7 on a lighter boat
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:12 pm |
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Will C
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
Call your vender. They might help you out
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:17 pm |
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DrahthaaRunner
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:59 pm Posts: 252
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 2003 MB Longtail
Sorry wrong thread
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:46 am |
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DrahthaaRunner
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:59 pm Posts: 252
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 2003 MB Longtail
Wrong thread
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:46 am |
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LHJ3
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:46 am Posts: 61 Location: Brevard County, Florida
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
I have a 9x7 on my MB 27 Kohler LT.
You are running too much prop.
Go to a 9x7 and you'll be amazed of the difference.
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Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:40 am |
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Zedro88
MMT Member
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:10 am Posts: 9
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
I am a retard my new prop is a 9X7.
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Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:47 pm |
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GODEVIL231977
New Member
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:05 am Posts: 2
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
does the boat have flotation in it if so it may be water logged my boat did the same so ni took out the flotation out now my boat runs 19.6 mph.
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Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:46 am |
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LB200
MMT Addict
Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:43 pm Posts: 656
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 Re: 2003 MB Longtail
We run a 9x6 on a 1648 riveted boat with a 29 Kawi and turn around 3800 in water. It sounds like you have way too much prop for a heavy boat. Put the tach back on and see what the in water RPM's are like was suggested. It should be turning around 3800 in water. If it is lower try a smaller prop. If you cannot get the RPM's up with even a smaller prop then you have a motor issue.
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Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:51 pm |
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