My tirade against MTV is not racist, it is realism.

every time you libs get hit with truth, you run crying, and start screaming racism, sexism, homophobe, or islamaphobe.

Where have you been for the last thirty years. MTV promotes homosexuality, interracial sex, lewdness, and the rap culture and gangster mentality.

I do not need to quote a source, go flip your TV onto MTV, and watch it for fifteen minutes. Then go to your local mall, walk around, and see how many little jack asses are out there emulating the filth on MTV.


Jump to google, type in "mtv promotes interracial" and enlighten yourself

So no you can't back up the bs your claiming? That is all you had to say, no need to resort to more name calling and insults. A simple "I am just pulling "facts" out of my ass" would be sufficient.

I'll post it again, no one can say it better than the Nuge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nurM0mY9N10

Stop crying Idacraw, and cease with the slickey boy routine

Long ago in our conversations, you presented an argument that America suffers because of her Christen values and past. You claim the rest of the world laughs at us, and stated that our belief in creation makes us less educated, and holds us back in math, science, and technology.

For the past few months, I have continued to ask you one question.

How is it that back in the 1950s, we ranked in the top of world standings in in education, all the while, we (in our schools) prayed, read the bible, and instructed kids in creation. In 1963, we (as a nation) removed creation, prayer, and Bible from the curriculum. We adopted Humanism as the state sponsored religion. Since that time, we have continued a downhill trend in world standings in math and science, and we now are ranked 25th overall in education.

Why after four decades of teaching kids in evolution did we drop in our math and science, and not go up?

Why is it that the Soviet Union only instructed via evolution, and would literally kill or imprison folks for Christianity, and in their 70 years of atheism, they never reached us in education, technology, medical research........ By your arguments, they should have moved ahead of us, being we have private schools and home schools that teach creation, and many of our public school children are instructed in evolution, but when they hear the creation side, it is more believable to them.

I also ask you how is it that our home school kids and private school kids that are instructed in creation, lead the nation in every state in ACT and SAT scores, and score better at math and science?

You have never answered these questions.

Fact: When we switched our curriculum over to evolution, we dropped in world education standings, and climbed in violence, murder, school dropout rates....

I have answered that question you simple fuck, but like usual you failed to understand real facts. Quit side stepping and back up your claims. You keep on with your tired bullshit about school prayer and declining grades but you can't provide any studies that show that, however unlike you, I am not prone to believing fairy tales without proof. Stop hiding and provide proof that shows that teaching evolution is the reason for declining scores. You bear the the burden of proof here.

Ranger P you mind if i share some of your posts

Take em gator- share all you want.

Idacraw - there is no study that needs to be sited, I posted facts. Earlier in this post, I posted facts of our current standings, and our standings in the 1950s. You do not need a "study", the scores are easily obtained via google. Go back and read the ones I gave you

Are you questioning the fact that we are declining in world standings in education? If so, you are not keeping up with the times. We spend more money per student on education than any nation in the world, and have crap to show for it.

Your communist atheism and evolution is making us dumber not smarter.

Keep it real dude.


Oh yea, how come no one on here is asking to quote you????

Speak up Ted

so you work with a whole office full of dumbasses, that explains alot

Had a thought today for all the gun control nut jobs. How many mass shooting ever occured at a gun show? Just saying.

Look dude,,,i dont know you...

But to make it simple,,what ranger is getting at is the people in control of this country that would like to tell you that you "have a right to health care" but you do not "have a right to bear arms".....

No matter your beliefs,,,no matter your religion,,,if you think that is ok,,,,you are a product of what he has been speaking of.....For the simpletons...YOU ARE AN IDIOT...

‎ "have a right to health care" but you do not "have a right to bear arms".....



Awsome comment

‎"The constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press."

Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

Upon one right, depend all others. Do not let yourselves be fooled as to the true objectives of those currently clamoring for elimination of your God-given rights. Enemies of the Second Amendment are enemies of the Constitution, and fall under my oath. They will be treated accordingly.

The Liberal/Progressive crowd were politicizing this before the bodies went cold. This is what they wanted. That spark to ignite their base against all gun owners. A foothold to begin their drive to disarm America, while the Divider-in-Chief wipes away his phony tears with his middle finger. Emotions will be played upon by the Mainstream media, "facts" and studies will be trotted out, claiming that confiscation is the answer. Studies, bought and paid for by those who openly manipulate the system and seek our downfall. Studies that prove guns equal crime, and must be removed from society. "Facts" we know to be fallacy. What happened in Sandy Hook was an absolute tragedy. What is even more tragic, is that Adam Lanza could have been stopped before he fired his first shot. Most tragic of all, this tragedy will be used to the fullest extent by those who seek to destroy our Constitution and Bill of Rights and continue with their " Fundamental Transformation" of America. True Progressives didn't just want something like this to happen, they NEEDED it to happen.

double post

Agree'd,,

The story should have read, "The principal,,,who was at the moment permited and carrying, shot and killed a heavily armed young man who forced his way into Sandy Hook Elementary"......This is what should have happened,,,but i believe we are heading in the opposite direction....THE WRONG DIRECTION...

The fact is that when we switched over to a curriculum of evolution, when we removed prayer, and when we removed Bible, we declined in world standings in education, and we dropped in math and science.

that is 100% fact.

This is your statement from my “what if” post - “And you really wonder why our education rankings are so low when people like ranger push for superstitions to be taught in public schools”

You are making the claim that Bible being instructed makes education rankings lower. I have come back time and time again, shown you that when we did teach Bible, we scored higher. You have no answer. You made the claim, and never backed it up. I just asked the simple question why?

Multiple causes can be argued. We can argue that the Rock and Roll revolution of the 60s played a part, one could argue that television played a part, one could argue that femenism and not having a mother in the home, one could argue the rise in divorce rates......

No where in any post have i ever said teaching evolution was a cause, or the lone cause.

You argued that the world views us as stupid because of our belief in God. you argued that we will do better in education of we can get rid of Christain views, and beliefs in creation.

Over and over, I have asked you how is it that when we (as a nation) did get rid of creation in our public schools (four decades ago), why did we not see a rise in education. Instead of improving in world standings, we got worse.

I also ask over and over, how is it that our private Christian schools continue to outscore public schools in math and science (and higher ACT and SAT) but are instructed in creation?

You failed to back up your argument, have never answered those simple questions.


Other quotes from you claiming that “if we could just get rid of creation, we would improve education”.

“you are delusional, that is the only explanation for your continued ignorance. If you are so concerned about our schools performance on a global scale, take a look in the mirror, you and people like you are the cause. Take a look at national test scores broken down by state, by far the worst performers are red states. People like you preach that what is taught in school is lies and shouldn't be believed, then you brainwash children by indoctrinating them from an early age to believe your "bible truths". Your archaic beliefs are the problem with education, not the removal of it from the schools. Only when this country embraces the real truths proven by science and puts their childish beliefs in superstition behind them will we once again take the lead in global academics”

“Seriously, you sit there and refuse to accept that evolution is real and quote from your bible to prove it isn't and wonder why we score so poorly in science?”

‘Go read some message boards from outside our country on this topic, America is a laughing stock to the rest of the civilized world because of people like you. Simply refusing to see the writing on the wall doesn't make it go away. It is amazing that with all your education you still believe in fairy tales.”

You are confused about what a fact is. Your statement should be " in the 60s organized prayer was removed from public schools, also the average test scores began to decline". You can't say it is a fact that removing prayer was the cause.

RangerP: You are confusing facts with correlation. If the facts are I ate a banana for breakfast this morning and the temperature was 64 degrees when I ate it, is it true that it will be 64 degrees every time I eat a banana for breakfast? You are arguing that it will be. All Idacraw is asking for is statistical verification of the correlation between decline in religion and increased immorality, gun violence, etc. Go find it and paste it here. I'm sure there are studies on this.

Dguidry, I'm sure it would 64 degrees somewhere. So technically, that could be a fact.

Here you go RangerP, I did research for you: http://secularist10.hubpages.com/hub/Re ... -and-Crime

Now what you should be arguing is the methodology of the study and whether it was flawed....that's where the real arguments should take place.

I think the biggest contributor is the welfare system.

United States

The Welfare system in the United States began in the 1930s, during the Great Depression. After the Great Society legislation of the 1960s, people who were not elderly or disabled could receive need-based aid from the federal government.[15] Aid could include general Welfare payments, healthcare through Medicaid, food stamps, and special payments for pregnant women and young mothers.

In 1968, 4.1% of families were headed by a woman receiving Welfare assistance; by 1980, the percentage increased to 10%.[15] In 2008, 28.7 percent of the households headed by single women were considered poor.[16] The poverty rate for single-mother families in 2010 jumped to 40.7% compared to 8.8% for married-couple families.[17] In the 1970s, California was the U.S. state with the most generous Welfare system.[18] In 2012, the states with the highest percentage of people using food stamps were Mississippi (20.7%), Oregon (20.1%), New Mexico (19.8%), Tennessee (19.8%), and Michigan (19.7%).[19] California, with 12% of the U.S. population, has one-third of the nation's welfare recipients.[20][21]

Overall decline in monthly welfare benefits (in 2006 dollars)[22]
In 1996, the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act changed the structure of Welfare payments and added new criteria to states that received Welfare funding. After reforms, which President Clinton said would "end Welfare as we know it",[23] amounts from the federal government were given out in a flat rate per state based on population.[24][dead link] Each state must meet certain criteria to ensure recipients are being encouraged to work themselves out of Welfare. The new program is called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF).[25][26] It encourages states to require some sort of employment search in exchange for providing funds to individuals, and imposes a five-year lifetime limit on cash assistance.[23][25][27] In FY 2010, 31.8% of TANF families were white, 31.9% were African-American, and 30.0% were Hispanic.[26]

In a 2011 op-ed in Forbes, Peter Ferrara stated that, "The best estimate of the cost of the 185 federal means tested Welfare programs for 2010 for the federal government alone is nearly $700 billion, up a third since 2008, according to the Heritage Foundation. Counting state spending, total Welfare spending for 2010 reached nearly $900 billion, up nearly one-fourth since 2008 (24.3%)".[28]

According to the U.S. Census Bureau data released September 13, 2011, the nation's poverty rate rose to 15.1% (46.2 million) in 2010,[29] up from 14.3% (approximately 43.6 million) in 2009 and to its highest level since 1993. In 2008, 13.2% (39.8 million) Americans lived in relative poverty.[30]


The Great Society was a set of domestic programs in the United States announced by President Lyndon B. Johnson at Ohio University and subsequently promoted by him and fellow Democrats in Congress in the 1960s. Two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice. New major spending programs that addressed education, medical care, urban problems, and transportation were launched during this period. The Great Society in scope and sweep resembled the New Deal domestic agenda of Franklin D. Roosevelt.

All that being said, I picked up a little something special tonight. The news looks like shit right now, several places are reporting that he used automatic weapons at the school, some are saying he used an AR-15 and put up to 30 rounds in some kids. 2 congressmen are already calling for an assault weapons ban. Get em while they're hot!

socialist/marxist/communists always desire to disarm the people. They can not take your Bible until they first take your rifle


Outlaw guns all they want, they will not lower the evil that is about to happen. When the nation continues the murder of the unborn, and embraces the degenerate sodomites, we will continue to see a rise in evil.

Do not cap between your sheets, and then complain about the stink when you try to sleep.

I see the MSM is calling the demonic murdering piece of trash that killed innocent children by shooting them from point blank range a "Trained Marksman".

So let’s say my neighbor Bob, a once in a while golfer took me to the driving range, and gave me a quick lesson in hitting a golf ball.

If a year later, I took a golf club, and beat someone to death with it, would the MSM call me a "Golf Pro"?

A marksman is a person who is skilled in precision, or a sharpshooter shooting, using projectile weapons, such as with a rifle but most commonly with a designated marksman rifle and/or a sniper rifle, to shoot at long range targets.

Somehow, I do not think shooting little innocent children from feet away qualifies one for such a title

Far from it. At 10', or less, it's easy to hit what you point at. A marksman shoots 1 bullet, 1 kill. He shot those kids multiple times. Guess they are trying to say everyone that is good with a gun is a menace to society.

I do not get it. Dicks Sporting Goods in PA is refusing to sell any ARs. Cheaper than Dirt has suspended gun sales. So had this demented ass clown stole his mom's Chevy SUV, drove to the school, crashed through the fence, and ran over 20 kids, would GM shut down? Would used car lots refuse to sell any Chevys? This country is full of stupid people, and I have yet to see one person with an ounce of common sense get on TV, and speak logically, and with any real gun knowledge about this situation, or about the magic "assault rifles".

Geraldo on the radio this morning claiming that an AR would never be used for defence. Really? So why the heck is every picture of the cops heading toward the school in Newtown all carrying an AR. Why was it the most logical choice to stop such a threat? Read on Huffington Post where it was stated that one cannot hunt with an AR, because the bullets are special and destroy all the meat. That is a freaking brilliant deduction there you savants. So a .308 150 grain soft point from a bolt action Remington is fine for deer, shoot the same bullet from an AR 10, and the black color and plastic fore grip actually put a magic spell on the bullet, making it destroy all the meat.

We live in a nation full of stupid people.
I hear the NRA is going to make a big announcement this coming Friday. If they give an inch on this, they will not see a penny from me again.

"Assault rifle" is not a gun term, it is a political term.

ARs, AKs, SKSs, FNARs, M1a, FN FAL..... are military style battle rifles. In civilian form they are semi auto rifles or carbines. In military form, they may have the ability to shoot on full auto, or burst mode. Most of these have detachable magazines (not clips, like all the morons on the MSM claim).

We also have civilian style semi auto such at the Browning BAR hunting rifles, Remington made them, and all manner of semi auto .22s and shotguns.

When the 2nd Amendment was written, it gave the average citizen the ability to own the same rifle, musket, or pistol that the Army or police had. that was the idea. Madison, Jefferson, Adams... did not give us the right to keep firearms to hunt rabbits, or shoot home invaders. They gave us the right to keep arms to stop a government that turns against the constitution and against the people. Thus the reason the modern day socialist democrat so hates "assault rifles". This weapon would be the weapon of choice to stop a government gone bad.

Most libs hate the police, and bash the police every time they have to use force. The police have ARs. So what in the heck do you think would happen if you take all ARs, semi autos, and hi capacity magazines from the common people, but let a corrupt police force have them?

I knew it would not take Obama and crew long after the election to go after guns, and I was correct.

If we spent half as much time talking about this country's lack of fortitude about mental illness as we do gun control, we would not have to spend ANY time on gun control.

If two days before this kid stole his mom's guns and shot this school apart, the community would have banded together to put HIM in a controled inviorment, it's likley, some lawyer would have been fighting for his rights to rome the streets........

Damn, you know shit has gone bad when I completely agree with the last 2 posts ranger made. I seriously thought this would never happen again, I guess I was wrong. Let's just hope that the upcoming bill fails to pass through the congress.

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INFRINGE, v.t. infrinj'. [L. infringo; in and frango,to break. See Break.]

1. To break, as contracts; to violate, either positively by contravention, or negatively by non-fulfillment or neglect of performance. A prince or a private person infringes an agreement or covenant by neglecting to perform its conditions, as well as by doing what is stipulated not to be done.

2. To break; to violate; to transgress; to neglect to fulfill or obey; as, to infringe a law.

3. To destroy or hinder; as, to infringe efficacy.

Most gun control people tout about Australia's gun ban after a massacer in 1996.

Watch what they have to say now.