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Where does it say in the constitution or bill of rights that marriage is only between and man and a woman? That is a religious definition used by religious fanatics to push their agendas.

I appreciate that you like statistics that prove that homosexuals are bad for the country. Did you know that christians make up 84% of the prison population in this country while atheists only represent 0.2% of the prison population. Is seems that making christianity illegal might lower our prison populations. And no, those are not counting people that convert in prison. And if the basic family unit is so important to the foundation of our country, why is the divorce rate the same among christians as it is not believers? You would think that those with faith could hold a family together since they believe till death do you part. And while on the topic, state your source for lesbians having the highest rate of domestic violence, I can not find that all I see says it is married women that are most often abused, please don't say your church pamphlet.

The fact that you would support a senator that would deny rape victims the right to abort the pregnancy caused by the rape, and force them to live with a daily reminder of that horror shows just how demented people like you really are. But again not surprising since god promotes rape in the bible. This doesn't change the fact that politicians with dark age knowledge of science and superstitious beliefs make laws all the time in our country based on religion not science.

And despite your claims, you provided nothing even remotely close to evidence to support your claim of debunking the film. There is no such thing as outside sources that corroborate the fables in the bible. In fact it is quite the contrary hence the fact that you have provided nothing of merit. It is funny that you deny anything I use to support an argument but then call me childish when I do the same. Typical behavior from a hypocrite with no leg to stand on in this debate. There may have been a man named jesus, and there may be writings that use that name, but there is nothing outside the bible that tells the same stories of magic and miracles. You have provided nothing to show this, nothing. In fact I am sure you have noticed that when you try and find documents from history that corroborate the tales of the bible what you find is the opposite, the real world does not support it and you know this.

I am patiently waiting for you to debunk the film.


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Ranger u are clearly wasting your time with this lost soul in his own time it will come to him and if it never does well it will be his loss but lots of people don't find Christ until they get in a situation they can't Handel themselves the good thing is that he may deny Christ but Christ will never deny him


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Idacraw

Where does it say in the constitution or bill of rights that marriage is only between and man and a woman? That is a religious definition used by religious fanatics to push their agendas.


They did not need to put it in the constitution, as it was already defined.

marriage
MAR'RIAGE, n. [L.mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman for life. Marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity, till death shall separate them. Marriage was instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity,and for securing the maintenance and education of children.


Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled. Heb.13.

1. A feast made on the occasion of a marriage.

The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king, who made a marriage for his son. Matt.22.

2. In a scriptural sense, the union between Christ and his church by the covenant of grace. Rev.19.

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Idacraw - your comment "since god promotes rape in the bible"

I must have missed that verse

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Idacraw - I take it that you are atheist and gay? I guess that answers the questions on why you are so angry.


do you deny that homosexuals carry 64% of the nation's syphilis, or that they made up 57% of new HIV cases last year?

Go to the Center for Disease Control website

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domes ... stics.html Lesbians and sexual assault

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Name calling again? Mighty christian of you. Surely if I think that gay people should be treated with the same respect as everyone else then I must be gay right? And angry? Not hardly, I am merely asking you to provide evidence for your claims and refuse to accept the bible as proof of the bible. But I guess you are so used to the members here licking your ass and taking everything you say as truth without question that it must seem like I am angry for not following the status quo. You and your fellow christians on here constantly make racial and homophobic remarks, even as far as saying that they should be wiped off the planet. Who is the angry one?

Once again you glossed over my request to show a source showing that lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence. I should have known better, you are constantly making up facts and statistics and change the subject when asked for evidence to support your claims. The fact is that over 1.5 million people report domestic abuse on average annually, less than 4000 of those come from homosexuals either men or women. You wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you in the face, you have lived a life of make believe for so long that you can not tell the difference between fantasy and reality anymore.

As far as god promoting rape, if you read the bible then you know what I am talking about. If you missed it it is because you like most christians skip over the parts that you don't approve of. If you really need me to point out the verses I can, but it would look bad that I once again know more about your book than you do. So if you need me to get you the verses just ask and I will provide them, but acting like they don't exist is just sad.


Still waiting on you to debunk the video.


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Idacraw

you seem very uptight about the whole gay issue, thus I asked (did not call names).

Your comment -" if I think that gay people should be treated with the same respect as everyone else then"

I never said anything about treating gays with respect. I treat them as a sexual deviant, just like child molesters, rapist, and folks that have sex with animals. It is unnatural and deviant. If I go to a restaurant with my family, and the server is flaunting gayness, I get up and leave, and refuse to give business to that restaurant.

There is no verse in the Bible that condones rape. In Deuteronomy, it speaks of a man and a virgin having sex, and they are then to get married.

In cases of rape in the Bible, the Hebrew word taphas is not used when Dinah or Tamar were raped. The word taphas is used in Deutronomy when discussing the means to deal with finding a man and a virgin having sex.


Lesbians and sexual assault http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domes ... stics.html

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You really suck at this. Your source states that there were 2,135,000 instances of domestic violence during the reported period. Of those there were 6,523 incidence of lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender violence were recorded in eleven distinct cities and regions across the USA and Toronto, Ontario. 44% of the victims were men and 36% were women.

That means that just over .3% of the domestic violence was committed by homosexual partners, and 44% of those were by men. How did you get that lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence out of that report?Typical republican christian propaganda, just make up statistics to fit your need. Pathetic attempt.

So you agree that you would treat homosexuals as less than human and deny them basic human rights? Again I ask you, what gives you this right? And what happened to judge not thy neighbor?

You never asked, would you like me to provide you with the verses?


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And since you are against homosexuality because it is forbidden in the bible I am sure you or any of the other good christians here don't do any of the following things also forbidden in the bible:

Shave
Cut your hair
Eat pork
Eat rabbit
Eat shellfish
Wear gold
Wear blended fabric clothing
Tattoos
Pulling out during sex
Associate with a woman on her period
Work on Sunday, or watch anyone work on Sunday (example:watching sports)
Cuss
Gossip
Backtalk your parents
Pre-marital sex
Drunkenness
Adultery (unless you are god impregnating a married mans wife)
Judge others

And since the bible says that a sin is a sin, anyone who does any of these are just as guilty of sin as a homosexual. Several of these are punishable by death according to the bible, but no worries since real christians do not sin.


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Being a Christian has nothing to do with not sinning. Romans 3:23 tells us that All have sinned

It is about recognizing that your good works will not get you to heaven, and that you are sinful, and knowing that Jesus is the way to heaven (grace, not works).

the food restrictions were for the children of Israel. In the NT, these were lifted.

Cuss, Gossip, Backtalk your parents, Pre-marital sex, Drunkenness, Adultery - are all still sins

Judge others - is one that people get confused on. We are actually commanded to judge-John 7:24

While all sins are a sin, and it does not take but one to send you to hell (but God can forgive them all), some sins carry a heavier punishment, or are more destructive. Homosexuality is called an abomination in the OT, and in Romans chapter one, we are told that it leads to being a reprobate, having a mind that is so seared in evil, that the person can no longer even respond to God.

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They are not described as sins, they are forbidden, big difference. The judgement thing is one of those classic bible contradictions where you are told to obey 2 contradicting things.

And actually jesus says there are several ways into heaven. He tells one man that the way to heaven is follow the commandments. He tells another that being a martyr and dying for a good cause will get you into heaven. He tells another that loving god and his neighbor with all his heart would get him into heaven.

Have you even read the bible?


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That which is forbidden is what we call a "sin". Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat of the fruit, and when Eve did, she committed the "sin" of disobedience.

there is only one way to heaven, and this is Jesus.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me - John 14 6

There is no other way

You would do well to actually quote, or give the book, chapter and verse. Most of what you say, is just absolutely false, or you are twisting words around.

I have read the Bible a couple times over from Genesis to Revelation, and done much study of various books.

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I have said nothing that is false it is all there. You are the bible scholar why would you need me to give you the book and verse? Jesus gave all of those above as ways into heaven.

Adam and Eve were not forbidden, god said they shouldn't not that it was forbidden. At any rate they had no sense of right or wrong till after so how would they know it was wrong?

You should read more.

Still waiting for the debunking...


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generally, if you are going to speak of a certain event in the Bible, then you give the reference from whence it came.

Jesus die not tell anyone that you go to heaven if you ar a martyr, nor did he say you go to heaven for following the golden rule.

In John Chapter 3 (notice I gave the reference), he was very clear in talking to Nicodemus on how to get to heaven, when he told him that he must be born again.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:

Notice the " thou shalt not eat", thus making it forbidden

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As far as you waiting on the debunking.

I will quote my favorite atheist friend - which happens to be you.

Idacraw- "Jesus gave all of those above as ways into heaven."

There you go, you are quoting Jesus. You are quoting him wrongly, but quoting him non the less.

Have a good evening, sleep well, and know that I will pray for you daily.

rangerp is going to go part the sheets

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Since you asked, all the ways jesus said you could get into heaven.

Matthew 19:16-17
Matthew 5:10
Luke 10:25-28
Matthew 5:19
Matthew 7:21
John 5:24

Now go ahead and tell me that these are all out of context or misunderstood, I would expect nothing less of you.


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As case in point, I would bet that most Christians don't know that Adam had a wife before Eve, it is mentioned in the Bible only once, but its there.


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Here is a little tip for you when you use Bible verses. Never look at just that verse, read the verse that came before, then read afterwards


Matthew 19:16-17 This is the middle of the conversation, where a young man is basically claiming to be perfect, when he told Jesus that he has kept every commandment. Remember, Jesus is God in the flesh, and he knows this man’s heart. All men have sinned (Rom 3:23). If you keep reading, after he tells the man to sell everything he has, and the man walks away sad, the disciples ask Jesus “Who then can be saved?”. And in verse 26, Jesus give them this answer “But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” So, Jesus is not saying that keeping the commandments will get you to heaven, being all men sin, and everyone breaks the commandments at one time or another.


Matthew 5:10 Once again, keep reading. In these verses, Jesus is not giving direction to salvation, he is talking about how those that follow him (Christians) will be persecuted. The next verse - 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, FOR MY SAKE




Luke 10:25-28 Look at verse 27. The man asked how to have eternal life. Jesus did not tell him good works, once again, it is belief in God – “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind” The man went on to ask “who is my neighbor, and jesus told the parable of the good Samaritan



Matthew 5:19 Read this entire passage, where Jesus is telling them that if you break one part of the law, then you broke all of the law. He basically tells those he is speaking to that hating your brother is equal to murder in the eyes of god. He also tells them that lusting after a woman in your heart is the equivalent of adultery. This is not a passage about salvation.




Matthew 7:21 Not sure where you are seeing a new or alternate way to heaven? This verse (or verses) is very applicable to previous conversation we have had in defining a Christian. Jesus it telling us that in the end, there will people who claimed to have done good in the name of Jesus (casting out devils), and Jesus will throw them into hell, telling him that he never knew them. This backs up that salvation is via grace, and not works. There are man folks that will use the term “Christian”, but are not Christians. Being Christian is not based on good works, it is based on a relationship with Jesus. These verses show that.



John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life

This is a salvation verse. Jesus is showing that the way to heaven, is through him.

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Ah, nothing is more convenient than a loosely written set of instructions in a language hard to interpret that leaves what is hailed as the most important book ever written open to personal interpretation. You read it how you want, I read it how I want, the next 200 people will read it how they want, and guess what, they will all have a different interpretation of what they have read. Beautiful isn't it? It is written so poorly that anyone can find scripture to support their twisted views.

Are you denying that Adam had a wife before Eve or did you forget to address that while scrambling for an alternative meaning behind those verses?


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