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Captinsano11
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Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:43 am Posts: 12
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 Problem with PD reverse
I am having trouble with my lower unit turning to go in reverse. I checked the torsion knob, hydraulic fluid, and I can hear the pump working but the lower unit always has trouble spinning aroumd. The only way I can get it to turn is to trim the engine up and down and hit the reverse button back and forth a bunch of times to where it eventually slowly catches and spins around. Any help/advice would be appreciated.
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:10 pm |
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T-Bubba
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:43 pm Posts: 3958 Location: Centerville, La
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Make aure youre relay is working right
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MaXXis85
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
The Pro drives use a Shallco rocker switch that carries the load, No relays for auto reverse, If you have a switch issue where when you press the button nothing happens then it eventually catches, your switch slider is worn.
If you are hearing the pump spin with no action on the ram, make sure there is indeed enough fluid and check for leaks. A pump turning with no rod action almost always indicates air in the system.
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T-Bubba
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:43 pm Posts: 3958 Location: Centerville, La
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Thats the old switch t marcus.
Depending what year his motor is there is a relay on the pump. Its basically a winch relay. Mine went out and it was doing similair to what he said
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:05 am |
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banded-mallard
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:18 pm Posts: 4310
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:51 am |
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Will
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:54 pm Posts: 8133
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
First thing you need to do is make sure the battery is fully charged. Many times the battery will slowly weaken and then the trim or reverse on a PD wont work due to loss in amps and all that is needed is a fresh charge. Depending on what you're doing the charging system on the Briggs doesn't always keep it topped off.
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:27 pm |
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BlueShamu
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:13 pm Posts: 5605 Location: D'town, LA
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Washer placement.
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:27 pm |
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Captinsano11
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:43 am Posts: 12
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Thanks for the responses. Checked the battery, it's fine. Have an onboard charger. All electrical leads seems to be fine. I greased the shit out of it and cleaned up some of the old grease. Still no dice. I can get it to turn 180 to reverse if I pull on the lower unit while hitting the button and the hydraulics helps a little. It turns to go back in forward by itself with no problem at all. 2013 setup..
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:21 pm |
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Captinsano11
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:43 am Posts: 12
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Got to be something in the actuator. I unbolted the end of the ram and it's still doing the same thing. Moving very slowly in reverse.
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:27 pm |
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BlueShamu
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Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:13 pm Posts: 5605 Location: D'town, LA
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
You unbolted it from the half moon gear and it won't stroke?
If so, several things to troubleshoot. Make sure you have fluid in your hydraulic reservoir. Then, try bleeding your hydraulic lines.
Can't remember if 2013 was a single or dual pump...I think single. If single, selector switch could be bad. Or, ram unit.
If double, swap out hydraulic hoses for trim with your reverse. In fact, you can probably do this with the single unit. If nothing else, swap the reverse/forward hoses and see if it acts the same in the opposite direction or if it's still bad in the same direction.
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:45 pm |
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Captinsano11
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Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:43 am Posts: 12
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Blueshamu Yes. When I hit the reverse button it retracts very slowly, sometimes catching and acting normal half way retracted but most of the time it just barely retracts. I'm pretty sure it's a bouble pump as it has two hoses per actuator, trim and reverse. I'll try swapping the hoses around tomorrow. Thanks to all.
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:44 pm |
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meterman3
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:25 pm Posts: 1407
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Depends on the year but they got some bad rams the piston would cock in the cylinder and nick it went thru 2
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:58 pm |
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banded-mallard
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Joined: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:18 pm Posts: 4310
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:10 am |
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Will
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Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:54 pm Posts: 8133
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Yep, sounds like a bad seal and it's leaking around.
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:10 am |
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JLACOUR
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:18 pm Posts: 4915 Location: Lake Jackson, TX
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:13 am |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Prove it.
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:39 am |
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MaXXis85
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
_________________ Bayou Surface Drive 337-351-0362 Tarkington, TX 77327
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:49 am |
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Will
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Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:54 pm Posts: 8133
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JLACOUR
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
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Will
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:51 am |
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Clay is a first class asshole!
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JLACOUR
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:18 pm Posts: 4915 Location: Lake Jackson, TX
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
_________________ 37 PD EFI FPR 18x48 Tiller SOLD -- 36 PD EFI FPR 18x48 Stick Steer SOLD -- 27 PD FPR 16x36 Skiff
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:59 am |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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Will
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
_________________ Bayou Surface Drive 337-351-0362 Tarkington, TX 77327
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JLACOUR
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:18 pm Posts: 4915 Location: Lake Jackson, TX
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
_________________ 37 PD EFI FPR 18x48 Tiller SOLD -- 36 PD EFI FPR 18x48 Stick Steer SOLD -- 27 PD FPR 16x36 Skiff
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:54 pm |
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bayouboy
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:08 pm Posts: 5376 Location: Venice, La
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
Just had a similar issue today, the cylinder would retract fine, but would not extend without assistance. We swapped the hydraulic cylinder out as a test and it worked like new ( bad seal). Moisture/contaminated fluid will destroy the seals.
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:06 pm |
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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_________________ Bayou Surface Drive 337-351-0362 Tarkington, TX 77327
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JIMMY W
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:02 pm Posts: 4534 Location: South Louisiana
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 Re: Problem with PD reverse
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