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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Backwater 35 lite
Any reviews? Just saw an ad for this motor; their website does not list it though. Just asking what are the pros/cons on the 23 lite versus 23 "regular"( both the 59" and 72" drives), the weight difference is only 15#; I am assuming negligible difference in the 35 lite versus 35 regular. What would be the gain of not having an U-joint?? Logic tells me a little more output/torque...
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Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:39 am |
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Will C
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
We have one on order, reveiw in a few weeks
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Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:38 am |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Few guys at the SETX Mud Run got to run the new frame. I'll have my 37 Lite in September. I am waiting til then to pick it up on my way back from Canada. I'm ready!
Put simply, doing away with the u joint puts more power to the prop. Every time there is a change of direction with energy, like the 10-15 degrees of change that you have with a u joint, you lose power. The new frame will also have a larger driveshaft and driveshaft housing. I believe the new frame will also come standard with a hex prop.
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:36 pm |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I have run several, nice, stout, ran good, cav tracks like it's supposed to, good product .
H Finn
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:41 pm |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Thank you! Do you suppose you will be able to run a slightly larger prop? Anyway, the next question might be is this the new generation of platform/frame? Like the idea of a hex prop, probably less binding issues with that, and from the mfg. standpoint easier to mate the shaft to motor probably, will await the field trials! Keep us posted!
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Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:32 pm |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Yes , hex shaft, no more threaded props, those are actually available for any backwater frame, small block23 as well, I've used the hex props and shaft over a year now. The 35 swomp lite will either come stock 10x5 or 10x 6 for the prop.
H Finn
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:46 pm |
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phoneman7
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:16 pm Posts: 250 Location: Sumter, SC
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I need one on my 1638 godevil. Heck it weighs less than a 23gdsd so it should work
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Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:28 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:28 am |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I agree! Notice on the BW website that the 23 lite has both a 65" and 77" shaft; wonder if the 35/37 lite will offer similar or is the SS 59" length no longer viable with the lite configuration? Because of the no U-joint/angle, figure the longer length will be needed?
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:54 am |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:58 am |
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phoneman7
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:16 pm Posts: 250 Location: Sumter, SC
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
219lbs. I might just have to sell my whole rig and just go ahead and buy that 1644 gatortrax with a 35 on the back. Be a hell of a rig
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:31 am |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Someone post a picture of the advertisement.
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:11 pm |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
The lite frame Arlon brought to caddo was a running SOB, he was faster than me. When I drove ,with he and I in his rig we were running 28 on my gps( garmin) . Handled well. The rig he brought to setx , wasnt dialed in correctly ( cav plate tracking to deep ) but was still running 26+.
H Finn
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:15 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I can't wait.
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:24 pm |
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SETx Longtail
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:53 pm Posts: 3480 Location: Hardin County, Tx
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I got some run time in a Arlon's boat too. Thing ran well. If I ever go back to any sort of longtail setup that's definitely what it's going to be.
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Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:57 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
For those that wanted to see the new frame...
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_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:16 pm |
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flint87
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:21 pm Posts: 3214
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
You need to buy those bibles and pass them out to some of the people on this forum.
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:21 pm |
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Russ
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:07 pm Posts: 4820 Location: West Monroe, LA
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
"Brothers Jake and Arlon Gilk..." Isn't Jake actually Arlon's son?
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:46 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:57 pm |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Saw that as well, ads wrong.
H Finn
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:33 pm |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Thanks, Frank, for posting the ad! I will learn how to post a pic sometime this decade if my wife helps me out. Hope all goes well with the new frame/shaft combo! I am sneaking out this a.m. to run my motor, hope I can run an LT for another decade at least.
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Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:15 am |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
This past week there was a for sale ad with pics of a MB SLT 35 HP...Huck, have you ever seen one run at the Caddo run?? The price has always been prohibitive to me and many others I am sure, just wanted your input on that motor. Would be cool to see a BW lite 37 efi vs. SLT 37 efi!
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Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:21 am |
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phoneman7
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:16 pm Posts: 250 Location: Sumter, SC
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I drove a 35slt when they first came out on a 1644 gatortrax. To me it was very easy to run and the neutral was awesome. If they made a 23hp one id buy it. I hunt alone alot of times and i like having that backup pull start. Ive driven all three brands. I like the throttle location on the godevil better along with the handle setup but like the rest of the backwater. My godevil will ride easy as pie sitting down in the river but the backwater is easier to turn to me. My old 27mblt would fight the piss out of you but it would push a load great. If i had had the opportunity to drive a BW a year ago when i bought my GD, id have bought one instead. However i have a GD dealer 30min from me so i went that route. When my GD frame needs a rebuild, ill prob order a swomp lite frame and swap motors.
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Real good, I share those views on both gd and mb! Right now I want to hear some more "in-depth" reviews on the big block BW lites!!!
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:41 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:10 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
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_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:26 pm |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Lean and mean machine! Versa mount works great on my hull. Is that drive 59"?
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:07 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:39 pm |
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flint87
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:21 pm Posts: 3214
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I bet that would fly on my little skiff
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Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:56 pm |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I'd also like to see how that big block lite would perform on a true flat hull, and not necessarily a GD, maybe a lighter weight 1844 or phowler 1844/1848. From the pics I've seen it seems to be an alwed 1752 ribbed model. How do I convince the missus I need another duck boat?
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SETx Longtail
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:53 pm Posts: 3480 Location: Hardin County, Tx
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I put a little stick time on the very rig Arlon is standing in. I can tell ya, a ribbed bottom isn't at all a hindrance on that thing. I couldn't shake him in my 1860/37SD. The thing flat moves.
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Russ
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:07 pm Posts: 4820 Location: West Monroe, LA
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
It's not loud enough, though.... [WINKING FACE]
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Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:41 pm |
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flint87
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:21 pm Posts: 3214
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Why aren't there any videos?
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:38 am |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Russ, a new lite motor comes with a coupon for porting your barrel.
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:14 am |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Ok guys, it is September, currently teal season here, but I am shut out because of the storm/high water closures of most of the wma's here, including the glades. NO Backwater lite reviews yet?? How come BW website is not featuring them? I am assuming not enough inventory? What gives? Would love to retrofit my swomp 26.5 with the the lite frame!! Minnesota is a long drive though.
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Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:31 am |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Fed ex drives that for you everyday. Frankthetau just got his new rig, but he's fresh back from a Canada trip,eehhhh ! I m waiting to here his review , but I've driven several now , good performers .
H Finn
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:43 am |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
I haven't even hooked my fuel line up and filled the motor with oil yet. I've been slammed with work and been playing catch up from being out of the office last week. Saturday will be the day I put the rig in the water and she what she's all about. The motor definitely passes the eye test. The build quality and craftsmanship is at the same level you'd expect from Backwater. The frame is beefier than the 23 Lite frame for sure. The bell housing and the lower bearing housing are much bigger than they are on the 23. They have to be to accommodate the 7/8" driveshaft. The engine block has a skid plate that covers the entire bottom of the engine block and a portion of the side of the block as well. I'm anxious to fire the motor up and see just how smooth it runs.
Backwater is a family owned company and the daily operations are ran by just a few people. And right now they're slammed. Multiple motors are being shipped daily and I know Jake has had some long nights lately. The website will be updated with information on the new frame soon. And like everything else about Backwater, when they do it, it'll be done right.
Be looking for a review from me soon!
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Frank, thanks for the reply! I've been itching to get out but like I said, storm closures have kept me landlocked! Actually, I would have gotten stuck out there in the marsh as I found out my battery is kaput yesterday. Glad to hear the BW boys are working hard and that means remuneration for them and that is good...just hope they find time to fish/duck hunt now and then. Is your teal season still on? I am hoping for a reopening this coming weekend but that is probably wishful thinking. Huck, thanks for the positive trials, were all of them 35/37's or have they tried the drive on a 26.5 Kohler??
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Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:25 am |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
35-37 and a briggs test motor . No rating but bigger than 37 hp.
H Finn
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:41 am |
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: Backwater 35 lite
Wow! >than 37 HP?? I love my 26.5 efi, but sure would like some more horses/oomf, especially if I go and get that dream light hull 1844/1848! Anyway, I will try and be patient and wait for Frank's review, seeing as how he's been finally convinced to make the run on Saturday.
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