Romney was a formidable candidate, a respected and respectful family man. He would have made a great president and may well become one someday just not today.

I appreciate all the political discourse with all of you on this forum. You are passionate and made very strong arguments.

Thank you.

Nasty, send cash only.

looks like you'll be hunting with ol birtha again this year

Glad your proud and respected him. Your president didn't show him any.

HIS president does'nt show any respect for ANYTHING. .....
like America, the flag, etc.

Could some one please explain what good the last republican president did for this country beside tanking the stock market and the housing market and then go into hiding has any one seen him during this election?. I have one more question about what does it say about a man who's own state didn't vote for him and they should know and trust him the most. I am a thrid generation union millwright and Romney vowed to get rid of unions for no reason but to make more profits for his friends and take away a working mans pension, health insurance and the right to collectively bargain to give his family a good life. And by the way has any body lost any gun rights over the last four years or have all most every state received right to carry rights. As Romney was up on stage giving his plan, his company Bain capital was selling off a plant in Freeport il, 30 mins from my house. Not only were they selling off the plant they were making employees train the Chinese . I'm definitely not saying that Obama is my number one choice I just feel that he will be the better of the two evils.

POW!

No just wait for the, "He's an american hating muslim, and black, so he is double untrustworthy!" comment.

MWhunter- "Could some one please explain what good the last republican president did for this country beside tanking the stock market and the housing market"


Are you serious? Our last republican president, was in office when we were attacked by terrorists. The housing crash was due to policy put in place by Carter that ordered banks to lend money to folks who were not qualified. Clinton furthered this policy. Prominent Republicans told us the crash was coming, but Barney Frank and crowd deneid it.

Your Big Unions are destroying American Business. They have destroyed detroit, alond with overregulation from democrats. The only thing big unions look out for, is big unions.

You seem to forget that congress holds the purse strings. Who was running congress and the senate during the Bush years? If you answered democrats Pelosi and Reid, then you are correct. Did they, or Obama snivel about spending when Bush was in office? Nope, they were there pushing to spend more.

Wake up.

MWhunter- "Could some one please explain what good the last republican president did for this country beside tanking the stock market and the housing market"


Are you serious? Our last republican president, was in office when we were attacked by terrorists. The housing crash was due to policy put in place by Carter that ordered banks to lend money to folks who were not qualified. Clinton furthered this policy. Prominent Republicans told us the crash was coming, but Barney Frank and crowd deneid it.

Your Big Unions are destroying American Business. They have destroyed detroit, alond with overregulation from democrats. The only thing big unions look out for, is big unions.

You seem to forget that congress holds the purse strings. Who was running congress and the senate during the Bush years? If you answered democrats Pelosi and Reid, then you are correct. Did they, or Obama snivel about spending when Bush was in office? Nope, they were there pushing to spend more.

Wake up.

While Dguidry may be proud of Romney and supporters, I am ashamed of what America has become.

American had a choice between individual liberty and responsibility or cradle to grave redistribution of wealth (socialism). America chose socialism.

America is rapidly turning away from what our Founding Fathers intended. They are ditching Bible truth, and embracing humanism.

This election, a majority of Americans sided with the candidate who is for socialism, taking away guns, murder of the unborn, homosexual marriage, putting daylight between us and Israel.

The foundation is cracking, and the end is coming.

You are wrong about unions. If there weren't any unions we would all be working for ten dollars an hour and no benefits. Do you think big business would take care of a working man if they didn't have to? It was by the people sticking together and fighting for there rights that were able to make a decent wage and benefits. And that is why big business puts out that anti -union propaganda to make people think unions are bad and greedy so they don't have to pay a man what he is worth. Look how workers were treated before unions were formed. Now there is buisness out there that aren't union that give there employees a good wage and benefits but its not because there nice it's more than likely they don't want a union so they try to keep there employees happy. Either way the unions have done their job.

There was a day and a time that unions did good for workers. That day is gone.

Big unions just supported a socialist president who is bringing America to her knees. This president supports killing the unborn, homosexual marriage, taking away guns based on how they look, and does not support Israel.

Unions destroyed Detroit, along with democrat policies.

Yes, the founding fathers did intend our form of government for a "Christian" people.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."


John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."


John Adams
"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."

John Adams
"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever


Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."


John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."


Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution

"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

"That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;

"But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."



Samuel Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Father of the American Revolution

"And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."

James Madison
4th U.S. President

"A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest while we are building ideal monuments of Renown and Bliss here we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven."



James Monroe
5th U.S. President

"When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good."


John Quincy Adams
6th U.S. President

"The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made 'bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God' (Isaiah 52:10)."


William Penn
Founder of Pennsylvania

"I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written; being given forth by the Holy Ghost moving in the hearts of holy men of God; that they ought also to be read, believed, and fulfilled in our day; being used for reproof and instruction, that the man of God may be perfect. They are a declaration and testimony of heavenly things themselves, and, as such, we carry a high respect for them. We accept them as the words of God Himself."

Roger Sherman
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and United States Constitution

"I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance equal in power and glory. That the scriptures of the old and new testaments are a revelation from God, and a complete rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him. That God has foreordained whatsoever comes to pass, so as thereby he is not the author or approver of sin. That he creates all things, and preserves and governs all creatures and all their actions, in a manner perfectly consistent with the freedom of will in moral agents, and the usefulness of means. That he made man at first perfectly holy, that the first man sinned, and as he was the public head of his posterity, they all became sinners in consequence of his first transgression, are wholly indisposed to that which is good and inclined to evil, and on account of sin are liable to all the miseries of this life, to death, and to the pains of hell forever.

"I believe that God having elected some of mankind to eternal life, did send his own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind, so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the gospel offer: also by his special grace and spirit, to regenerate, sanctify and enable to persevere in holiness, all who shall be saved; and to procure in consequence of their repentance and faith in himself their justification by virtue of his atonement as the only meritorious cause.

"I believe a visible church to be a congregation of those who make a credible profession of their faith in Christ, and obedience to him, joined by the bond of the covenant.

"I believe that the souls of believers are at their death made perfectly holy, and immediately taken to glory: that at the end of this world there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a final judgement of all mankind, when the righteous shall be publicly acquitted by Christ the Judge and admitted to everlasting life and glory, and the wicked be sentenced to everlasting punishment."


Benjamin Rush
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

"The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!"
--The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, pp. 165-166.

"Christianity is the only true and perfect religion, and that in proportion as mankind adopts its principles and obeys its precepts, they will be wise and happy."
--Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, published in 1798.

"I know there is an objection among many people to teaching children doctrines of any kind, because they are liable to be controverted. But let us not be wiser than our Maker.

"If moral precepts alone could have reformed mankind, the mission of the Son of God into all the world would have been unnecessary. The perfect morality of the gospel rests upon the doctrine which, though often controverted has never been refuted: I mean the vicarious life and death of the Son of God."


John Witherspoon
Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Clergyman and President of Princeton University

"While we give praise to God, the Supreme Disposer of all events, for His interposition on our behalf, let us guard against the dangerous error of trusting in, or boasting of, an arm of flesh ... If your cause is just, if your principles are pure, and if your conduct is prudent, you need not fear the multitude of opposing hosts.

"What follows from this? That he is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind.

"Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy of his country."


Alexander Hamilton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."


Patrick Henry
Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here


John Jay
1st Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and President of the American Bible Society

"By conveying the Bible to people thus circumstanced, we certainly do them a most interesting kindness. We thereby enable them to learn that man was originally created and placed in a state of happiness, but, becoming disobedient, was subjected to the degradation and evils which he and his posterity have since experienced.

"The Bible will also inform them that our gracious Creator has provided for us a Redeemer, in whom all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; that this Redeemer has made atonement "for the sins of the whole world," and thereby reconciling the Divine justice with the Divine mercy has opened a way for our redemption and salvation; and that these inestimable benefits are of the free gift and grace of God, not of our deserving, nor in our power to deserve."



--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

idacraw - you can save your "truther" BS for someone else.

All manner of warnings go out via the security net. To make it sound like Bush knew 9-11 was about to happen, and how it would happen is a lie.

OBL's head was offered to Clinton twice, and both times, he turned it down. The 9-11 attackers came here during the Clinton era, and did their flight training.

Keep it real

Not to hijack but did any of you see that Rosanne Barr(yes that Rosanne) and Cindy Sheehan ran for pres and vice? They ran on a completely pro drug policy...which I have no problem with. But I would never for for either of those wacko bitches. They did actually get 7000 votes in Florida.

I for one do not need someone to tell I can or can't kill a baby, or I can or can't do drugs, or I can or can't start and run a business, or I can or can't own a firearm, if church is good or bad. I know what is right and wrong and do not need gov't to tell me that. The country has taken a horrible turn and I do not know of it will come bad. All of us on this board have something in common, boats which means we either love hunting/fishing or both. Our parents past good values onto us which had been passed to them. None of that knowledge or values came from government.

Union definitely had their place way back when. I think they are terrible now. I have worked with many union electricians and power plants and refineries and they usually do a decent job but it takes 1.5 to 2 times longer for every job. On that note in do like how they will send and mentor a journeyman to school and then train them further through OJT. However through all of that training the usually pick up the mentality that they are the only one that can do the job and anyone else is inferior and not allow to turn a screw or terminate a wire. If they were so good at their job then they would not feel threatened by someone else doing the same work better and for less money. I do not think there should be any place for someone who has a basic labor skill making $90 an hour like many of the union employees that worked for car companies in Detroit and vote pro democrat because they pander to the unions for the votes.

I do a lot of work at the outages at the car plants in Detroit and it was not the unions that killed Detroit . It was killed by people driving foreign made cars and trucks while they are complaing about the state of the economy and unemployment rate, and by poor buisness decisions by people way above the unions pay grade. It was also the stance of Romney to let it go bankrupt and sell it off piece by piece to the Chinese. What they don't under stand its not only the auto plant that would go under it be thousands of machine shops that make parts for the manufacture and also the thousands of people that work at the dealerships. But republicans do love to take shots at the unions every time they have the chance. I bet you got your info on Detroit by Fox News. If you do your research my union and many others have all made great concessions including pay and benifits to help the American auto industry survive. You feel that we don't need unions any more but the reson you feel that way is because they are doing there job, what would stop the country from going back to the way it was if everybody is just looking out for them selves . As the old saying goes united we bargain and devided we beg.


And I just want to say thanks for the good debate and one day I hope we can all come together and become the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

They might be making 90 an hr on sundays but that is there total package including check,benefit package and pension. And I'm curious how much do you think a guy should make including all of these things. So you think that if your working for a company and they decided to cut your pay or benefits and tell you if you don't like it just find another job, and this is alright with you.

Absolutely it is ok. You work for them. If you don't like it move along. The worker is not taking any of the risk, only the reward. Obviously public companies are different than private but the private owners have to pay everyone and cover expenses and if there is any left they get. If now they go bankrupt.

I understand what your saying but not every where in the country is there enough jobs to be jumping from one to the other. Some people are scared they won't be able to find another job right away so they put up with what ever the company decides to do with them.

idacraw -

The first amendment of our constitution gave us the freedom to worship in our own way. When you read the writings of the founding fathers, it is evident that they intended our new form of government for a Christian people. It is their words, not mine. The founding fathers were for the most part, born again Christians. Ben Franklin and a rare few were diests, in that they believe in one God, but believed we were predestined.

The Founding Fathers believed the Bible should be studied in school, they never called for a removal of prayer in school..... They were not mulsim, budhist, hindu..... They were Christian.

In the 60s, we saw the Godless atheist like Marlyn Madlyn Ohare move to take prayer and Bible from our school. We rapidly dropped from number one in the world in math, science to now down below the 25 mark. About the time we did away with prayer and Bible in school, and instructed kids that they came from monkeys is about the time they started acting like monkies. We had a sudden surge in teen murders, drug use, and all sorts of heathen behaviors.

As far as 9-11. You claimed that Bush knew, and told now one. I reminded you that it was Clinton that let OBL walk. Bush never blamed any previous president, he took responsiblity for everything that went on during his eight years in office. It is Obama that has continued the blame game for the last four years, and continues to play it.

MWhunter - "It was killed by people driving foreign made cars and trucks while they are complaing about the state of the economy and unemployment rate, and by poor buisness decisions by people way above the unions pay grade. It was also the stance of Romney to let it go bankrupt and sell it off "

People started driving the foreign made cars, because they were a better product for a better price. Unions drove the prices high, by unrealistic wages, shoddy work ethic, and a lesser product.

Had the auto companies gone broke, it would be just like when an airline goes broke. They would break up their unions, and then restructure.

The democrats did not save the auto instry, they saved the auto unions.

with capitalism, failing is part of the equation.

And after they saved the auto industry, they STILL sent jobs overseas to CHINA. GM being #1.


I'm fixing to be in the market for a truck and have been looking at Nissans and Toyotas. The Toyota Tundra is built in Texas. Nothing like supporting our neighbors that work at that plant in Texas.
On this page there are a few mentions of which US states build Toyotas.

Ranger after reading your profile I see that your occupation is with the US army and I just want to say that I both respect and appreciate all of are soldiers. I just disagree with your views on what the rights of America's work force should be.