Threat? Teaching you something is no threat. You actually learning something to retain in that peanut of yours is a threat. A threat to all civilized society in fact. Speaking of evolution, what is your excuse you fucking retarded knuckle dragger? Did you miss the evolution bus?

Idecraw - You like to twist and turn facts, but that is all you do. Let me pick off about half of your post.

Your comment – “You say evolution can not be replicated in a lab, how do you think that bacteria is becoming immune to antibiotics?”

Once again, any organism or living being can only adapt within it’s set DNA. Bacteria is able to adapt or become immune because it fits with the bacteria’s DNA. Have scientist ever seen bacteria adapt, mutate, and become something other than bacteria????? I did not think so. I worked at removing poison ivy from my property until I became immune to it. I could get in it, and might just get a bump or two, where I used to get covered in it. I adapted, I did not evolve.

Your comment - “If you take the time to read something other than the pamphlets your preacher passes out, most of them are thought to be deists”

Wrong again, Benjamin Franklin, Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson were deists. Of the founding fathers, 55% were Episcopalian/Anglica, 18% were Presbyterian, 16% were Congregationalist, 4% were Quaker, 3% were Dutch Reformed, 3% were Lutheran, 2% were Catholic, 2% were Huguenot, 2% were Unitarian, 1% was Methodist, and there were a few Calvinists in the mix. Diests were the smallest percentage. Of the signers of the Article of Confederation, only one was a deist.

Your comment – “number of deaths you attribute to atheists is also completely false and ignorant. Those people were not killed in the name of atheism, they were killed in the name of their state”

Notice you do not deny that it was atheist that brought on this murder of their own people. You will also find that they murdered Christians. Like you, they were socialist/Marxist, and had a disdain for Bible truth. The state murdered in the name of their atheist leaders.

Your comment – “And lets not forget events such as the crusades”

Yes, something we agree on. Let us not forget the crusades. Let us also not forget that the crusades were defensive in nature and were a direct response to Muslim aggression in an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim invasion of Christian lands

Your Comment – “Remember the fire bombing of abortion clinics and pipe bombs delivered to doctors who performed abortions? Those were your christian brother that did that”

Wrong again (you have a pattern of it). Find me one main line protestant church that ordains or supports these acts? What you will find, is the Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodist have no love or support for these criminals, nor did our churches support these acts. We also believe in the death penalty for those that do commit murder, or the appropriate punishment for these crimes.

Your comment - “How about the westboro church, remember them”

Yep, I remember them, and no Baptist I know of (including independent or southern) support or agree with them. Check the westboro back ground, and you will find that those that are registered, are registered democrats, and their one commonality is that they are a group of lawyers. Founder, Fred Phelps earned a law degree from Washburn University in 1964, and founded the Phelps Chartered law firm. The WBC is not affiliated with any known Baptist conventions or associations and the two largest Baptist denominations, the Baptist World Alliance and the Southern Baptist Convention have denounced the WBC over the years. Most considered that Westboro's technique of protests were more likely to "put people off the Word of Jesus Christ and the Bible.

Your Comment – “regardless of what you think, your religion is just a different flavor of islam”

Wrong again, and very factually and historically incorrect. 500 years after Jesus, Mohamed claimed that he walked out into the desert, and a 600 wing angel imparted a new wisdom unto him. By trade, Mohamed was a business man, and he invented a new religion that would make him very rich, and very powerful. His false religion had mosses living at the same time as Noah. He spread his religion by the sword and the spear. He married a six year old girl, and had sex with her when she was nine. It was a false religion from the start, and is false now. When is the last time you saw a Baptist do an honor killing? When is the last time you saw a Jewish person get on a bus, and blow up a bomb amongst women and children. Terror the world over is generally committed by the Muslim. It is a works based religion, and in no way similar to the faith based Christianity of the Bible

Your comment – “Hitler also made nice speeches, regardless of how wrong he was”

No, Hitler did not make nice speeches. He hated the Jew, and blamed the problems of Europe on the Jew. Like you, he made evil speeches. He like the Muslim wanted to kill the Jews. You will notice that Hitler may have spouted religion when it benefited him, but like you, he was an atheist. Like you, he was a supporter of socialized medicine, like you, he supported gov control of the auto industry. Like you, he believed in evolution.

NEXT!

Idacraw – you are persistent, but still wrong

Your comment - “Funny that you should bring up DNA, since we and chimps share 99% of the same genes. How do you explain that?”

In the 2005 chimpanzee genome project and resulting Nature journal publication, the sequence contigs were not assembled and oriented based on a map of the chimpanzee genome, but rather on a map of the human genome. Given the fact that the chimpanzee genome is at least 10 percent larger overall than the human genome, this method of assembly was not only biased toward an evolutionary presupposition of human-chimp similarity, but was also inherently flawed.
So, the human Y chromosome looks just as different from a chimp as the other human chromosomes do from a chicken. And to explain where all these differences between humans and chimps came from, believers in big-picture evolution are forced to invent stories of major chromosomal rearrangements and rapid generation of vast amounts of many new genes, along with accompanying regulatory DNA.

However, since each respective Y chromosome appears fully integrated and interdependently stable with its host organism, the most logical inference from the Y chromosome data is that humans and chimpanzees were each specially created as distinct creatures. – From Freerepubli.com

Your comment – “This is a link to a study that shows, through genetic testing, that bacteria does in fact evolve inside a lab”

The suggestion that the development in bacteria of resistance to antibiotics as a result of genetic mutations or DNA transposition somehow “proves” organic evolution is flawed. Macroevolution requires change across phylogenetic boundaries. In the case of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, that has not occurred.

Your comment – “By this logic, our recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are wars waged for the sake of Christianity since Bush was a Christian.”

Wrong again, as usual. We went to war in the Middle East because on 9-11 we were attacked by Islamic terrorists. We went to war in Iraq because they continued to thumb their nose at UN inspectors, had a history of using WMDs against the Iranians and their own Kurdish population.

Your comment – “The terrorist attacks were done because of the attackers Christian beliefs, no different than the 9/11 attacks carried out by Muslims.”

Criminal acts carried out by individuals against abortion clinics never got the backing of mainline Christians anywhere. The Muslim terror attacks were done with the backing or support of the mullahs. I have numerous combat deployments in the Middle East. The leaders in the mosques used the Koran and Jihadist principles to compel terrorist attacks. There is a huge difference here. If memory serves me correctly, Muslims the world over, celebrated in the streets when 9/11 happened. Christians throughout America did not celebrate the bombings of abortion clinics. Christians did celebrate, or were thankful, when Eric Rudolph was captured

Your comment - “Phelps claims that his church is the pure definition of Christianity and denounces all other denominations”

And David Koresh had his proclamations, Jim Jones had his, and so did Charlie Manson. Mainline Christians who apply Bible, can easily debunk any of these fringe, or nutty religious freaks. Their claims do not align with Bible truth. I hate the sin, not the sinner. My last church in Georgia had a number of recovering homosexuals, along with recovering alcoholics, drug addicts and gamblers. I would welcome you in my church also.

Your comments - “The difference here ranger is that I spent 18 years as part of your religion, I have heard and read all that Christianity has to offer” and “If fact Christianity as you know it today is a cobbling of world religions pieced together to make assimilation easier when they conquered a group of people”

You are getting a little confused here. You are using “Christianity” in place of “Catholicism” there is a big difference in the two. While I know some Catholics who are also Christians, the two are not synonymous.

Most places in the Bible, where “religion” is used, it is used in a negative connotation. The first chapter of the books of James, being an exception, where we are told that real religion is taking care of widows and orphans. You claim to have been part of “my religion” I do not think so, or you would not even use that term. What I have, you would not want to give up, trade in, or put aside. I have a relationship more than a religion. It is not about me, or what I have done. It is not about a set of “do” and “don’t”, it is about what someone else did. I just accepted what the Son of God did on the cross. It is not about me.

And as a quick note, thank you for keeping this discussion friendly. In the past these things devolved into snide comments and name calling that in the end does nothing for either side of the argument.

I am not a scientist, nor do I claim to be, neither do I have a higher than average IQ. I am just an infantry dude, trained to fight and win Americas wars.

I have read both sides of the argument in a pretty detailed manner, and while i may not be able to argue either side to any great depths, I feel I can understand what I read. To believe either in evolution or creation takes faith in something you cannot see. From what I have read and know, the evolution side seems to be full of holes, and a continuous struggle to sell a lie. Scientists of today know for certain that Darwin's theory was wrong, even those that do not believe in creation. His finches on the Galapagos Islands had various length beaks in their DNA, and always have.

One aspect that I find interesting is that over the past hundred years, the so called evolution scientist have again and again lied, or made up hoaxes to coincide with their evolution. From Piltdown man, Nebraska man, Java man, Orce man, Haeckel’ Forgeries, Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis and the Fake Dinosaur-bird ancestor, and all manner of other lies. If their science is so concrete, why the continuation of lies?

I also find it interesting that the so called scientists are terrified of actual debate. If my local public school claimed that they would bring in a creationist and evolutionist to debate in front of the school, and let children make an informed decisions, that school would be overwhelmed with lawyers, the ACLU, and libs of all manner to shut down such a debate. They know that their false theories do not hold water.

The one man on here throwing up the strongest argument for evolution is so foolish as to not see the difference in some fringe nuts that bombed abortion clinics, vs. the jihadist Muslims that permeate the middle east. Sorry bud, but when we sit down and look in-depth at the nation’s most dangerous threats, Islamic extremism is at the top of the list. Eric Rudolph is not.

I also find it interesting that the same atheist that have a disdain for Christianity, also always seem to downplay the threat of the Islamic extremists, and also seem to have a disdain for Israel. Why would these libs hate Israel? I think I can explain it. Ten Bible prophecies were fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became an independent, united nation for the second time in history, and for the first time in 2,900 years. Libs may claim to not believe the Bible, but the fulfilled prophecies are a real thorn in their craw. It is just one of those things that they cannot explain, thus they would just as soon that Israel go away. No other religion in the world has actual real deal prophecies that get fulfilled, other than the Bible. The Bible over two thousand years foretold of the coming of Jesus. We were told where he would be born, where he would live, and where and how he would die. All of that was told by various authors over a long period of time, and it all came to fruition.

Tiny little Israel (God's chosen people) stand alone in a sea of Islamic enemies, just as God told us they would. They were spread throughout the world, and sent to the slaughter, just as God foretold. They came back together as a nation, and have defeated nations much bigger and better equipped, just as God foretold. Amos 9:14-15, Ezekiel 37:10-14, Isaiah 66:7-8, Ezekiel 37:21-22, Jeremiah 16:14-15, Ezekiel 4:3-6, Ezekiel 34:13, Jeremiah 31:10, Leviticus 26:3, 7-8, Deuteronomy 30:3-5

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. – It takes a bit of faith, but it seems to take less faith that it does to believe that from nothing there came an explosion, then something, the slime pit, and the ameba that crawled out, and decided to become something else, when there were no other external pressures or competition. Once again, when I look at history, I see the nations that embraced Christian principles and Bible truth (like England and the US), going forth, spreading democracy, ending slavery, doing the majority of the world’s charitable works. When I see the nations that did away with religion, adopted humanism, and socialism; these are the nations that have enslaved their own populations, murdered in the millions, and these same people are the ones that have looked at America, and given everything to escape and come here.

RangerP...You are officially from this day forward!!! "The MMT YODA".....

Great post pal...

Ranger, you are probably one of the worlds best researchers..

I wasn't having a discussion with barnes, I was having a discussion with ranger, my comment was directed towards him.

Idacraw - I would answer more of your last post, but I have to get out and do some PT. I will only hit one or two points, and then come back for the rest.

To your question asking me why I am catholic. You missed the mark by a long way on that one.

I am a simple old, saved by Grace, New Testament Christian. I worship at an Independent, Fundamental, old fashion Baptist Church. I worship there, because I believe they come closest to worshiping in the fashion that the church did in the New Testament. We do not pray to Mary, there is no Pope in the Bible, we do not worship relics, we do not baptize babies (and they never did in the Bible) we do not pray to statues, believe in purgatory, the sacraments.....

You made references to fake religious relics in reference to my remarks about scientists faking evolution stories. You will find that the fake religious relics often come from those trying to discredit the Bible, not further it's truths. The shroud was an attempt to show that Jesus never rose from the grave. the other malarkey generally comes from places, where the Catholic church mixed in with the idol worshipers, and thus the statues of Mary with bleeding eyes and such. All of those are hoaxes, and none are grounded Biblically. Christians do not find Jesus in the bark of a tree, in their pancake, in a statue.... We find him in the Bible, and we know that he sits on the right hand of the Father.

One question for you. You do not believe in the God of the Bible, do you believe there is a Satan, or demons?

Idecraw -

You asked where God came from. I have a faith that God always was, and always will be. I cannot explain it, anymore than you can explain where the original matter or energy came from. Man's mind has limits.

In reality, we can sit here and have a war of cut and paste. I guarantee you that for every evolution tail that you spin, I can come back with an answer I found from the creation scientist, and you will come back with a rebuttal from the evolution folks, and so on and so on. I believe the fossil record aligns with the flood, where we see an explosion of life and then an abrupt end. It does not take much study to uncover hoax after hoax concerning the Neanderthal man stuff. By the way, why do we have apes and men, but none of the in-between species?

The cool thing about America, is that we have that first amendment that allows us both to believe as we wish. Because of our freedoms, my girls can attend a Christian school, and they are instructed in creationism. I have a thirteen year old daughter that has skipped grades, and will graduate at age 15. In biology at her Christian school, she is learning above and beyond what I ever learned in public school, and it is Bible based. Her school ranks number one in the state in the ACT, and she will earn scholarships.

Here is the other interesting part. If I was wrong (which I am not). If everything I believe Biblically was not true, and if in the end, I just died and become worm dirt, then I would still have lived a life, where I believe that treating my neighbor better than myself was good, and will have been known as a charitable person that helps those in need, and serves those around me. I will have lost nothing. If I am right, then you my friend will spend an eternity in hell. I hope that never happens.

Just out of curiosity, if Idacraw got to be king for a day, what would you do about that first amendment that gives me the freedom to worship the God of the Bible? What would you do about those Christians like me that do a combination of home schooling and private schooling, and raise my girls to believe in creation? What would you do about our military, where men like me took an oath, to support and defend that constitution (and the first amendment), against all enemies, both foreign and domestic?

Dguidry - lay off the Star Wars movies, and ease up on the weed, you are to old for that stuff. Your alternate universe stuff may not have any ducks to hunt or swamps to run around in.

and a few questions, just to keep it interesting.




General Theory of Evolution

What is the best evidence that shows that the general theory of evolution is actually a fact? (give evidence showing change beyond simple variation within a population)

If science is about reasoning and debate, why do evolutionists censor controversies, fraud, and weaknesses of the evolution theory from textbooks?

Science is supposed to be objective and unbiased. So, what justifies an atheistic (naturalistic) bias in science over an agnostic approach that allows for the possibility of natural or supernatural origin?




Origin of the Universe

What specific evidence supports the claim of a natural origin of the universe?

Explain how something can come from nothing in contradiction to the first law of thermodynamics.

The universe is experiencing heat death as predicted by the second law of thermodynamics. So how do evolutionists justify proposing that energy always existed and had no beginning?

What is the evidence that the universe increased in its order and complexity after the big bang in contradiction to the second law of thermodynamics.




Origin of Life

What specific evidence supports the claim of a natural origin of life? (life from non-life in contradiction to the law of biogenesis)
What is the scientific justification to study abiogenesis in contradiction to the law of biogenesis?

If life could spontaneously exist by chance, then why have scientists not been able to create life in the laboratory with controlled experiments? Likewise, if scientists cannot succeed in creating life in the laboratory, then what evidence is there that life could create itself by chance?

What evidence justifies the evolution proposal that life spontaneously arose from non-living material in spite of the calculations showing that such occurrence is astronomically improbable.

By what means did the code of life and the enzymes necessary to make the code originate? Which came first: the code to make the enzymes or the enzymes to make the code?




Origin of Species

What fossil evidence exists showing the evolution of one major kind of organism into another? (give an example of one taxon "order" becoming another)

If cars and non-related organisms can show similarity, what is the basis for inferring that homologous phenotypes represent phylogeny?

What evidence is there that mutation can or has produced unique, new structures rather than modified features?

What is the evidence that shows that mutations can supply an increase new information rather than just modifying existing genetic information?
What evidence suggests that mutation and natural selection changes have no limits?

What evidence shows a transitional form with partially developed, nonfunctional features (such as 10% of a wing)?

Why have new body plans not developed since the Cambrian explosion?

Why is Haeckel's "law of biogenesis" that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny still used as evidence for evolution after being exposed as a fraudulent claim?

If fifty years of intensive research on mutant fruit flies has produced nothing but more fruit flies, why is it thought that other organisms can evolve into something else?





Intelligent Design

Why does Venus rotate backward, while Uranus rotates at a 98 degree angle to its vertical plane?

Why do 11 (almost 1/3) of the moons of various planets rotate backward?

Why aren't most of the planets composed of hydrogen and helium like the sun?

RangerP: please read this article and you will know how and when the universe was created. One has to have been living under a rock not to know that this discovery is the discovery of the all time. http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~yukimoon/B ... igBang.htm

Dguidry - Let me help you out and give you truth, and how it really happened.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.


5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.


7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.


8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.


10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.


11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.


12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.


14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.


16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.


17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,


18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.


19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.


23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Have you ever noticed that as new things have been discovered, some of the physical laws that govern newly discovered objects prove a certain section of the Big Bang theory wrong? Well, naturally, scientists want their theory to be right, so they make adjustments. The Big Bang theory has been doing this since it was hypothesized. However, the theory of Creation by God has not changed in one single detail- and yet it still matches up to the known universe, not to offend, but is that not repugnantly ironic to those who believe in Big Bang?

http://cs.astronomy.com/asy/general_dis ... 17854.aspx

Thank you ranger, you have confirmed my suspicions. Carry on.

You are welcome, glad to be able to help you out.

Rangers Lead the Way.

I think I got a bro crush on RangerP lol in a straight not after your ass kinda way of course lol

I am not exactly sure what a "bro crush" is, but one thing about this entire debate did strike me as interesting.

While Idecraw and Dguidry claim mastery of science and higher education. Neither one of them seem able to produce a convert to their evolution and socialism on here.

Is it that the rest of us are just to dumb to understand the higher level knowledge, or is it that we are able to aply common sense and see through the smoke and mirrors, while applying logic, history, and critical thinking?

Their big bang fizzled and that poor little ameba is still crawling around in the mud.

anyone with a screen name of MUDMAN and says he has a bro crush....watch your six Ranger!

Not down the middle. But 3 sections would work. NE, Central and west coast. Pisses me off some forkers in California or New Jersey can decide my furture.

so the name calling thing? is that out again or what? ha jk still waiting on the flawless proof that we all burst out of a monkey's ying yang and came to be where we are. . . or a fish, or out of the thin air which didn't exist either . . . how my friend did we evolve from nothing? not trying to be rude . . . friendly convo or debate here, but like ranger said i just havent seen either of you post anything legitimate towards the creation of all of us from nothing . . .

Idacraw - so once again, how many converts did you get on here?

I am humbled at the private messages I get from MMT folks that I do not even know. Some do not even post, but they send me a note, letting me know that they are praying for me, thanking me for my service, and giving me encouragement. While it may mean nothing to you, it just strengthens my faith.

It is more than just the scientific facts. It is deeper that rules and do a don'ts of religion. Once again, it is about a relationship made possible by the sacrifice on the cross.

I have never seen a drunk stop drinking and get his life right because of atheism, but I have seen men that were slaves to alcohol get saved, and change and become productive men of God, and good to their family. Same for gamblers, drug addicts, and all manner of bad people (like me, a rotten sinner that got saved by Grace).

You may call my religion a crutch, but I sure am glad I have it.

I'm not looking for converts, I have seen your fanatical views barely breach the surface in many of your posts and I just wanted you to expose your full crazy. In the end regardless of what I explain, or show, or any amount of publications full of real evidence you would not accept any of it. You refuse to accept real truths, plain as that.

As far as reformed alcoholics, the reason you don't hear about the ones that don't believe in your fairy tales is that they have nothing to prove, you do. Yours and all other religions prey on the weak, looking to bolster your numbers and grow your cults.

Once again, answer the above questions with facts backed by real evidence.

first off you are full of shit. . . who in the world are you calling weak? you are weak and mindless just like much of the things you stand behind . . . no proof ever . . . all i see is pointless rambling and nothing to back it up - i have asked three times for your proof on what you believe only to be overlooked while you try and win a pissing contest . . . no one wants to hear how you think you are a genious, superior to most everyone on here because you are too smart to believe in something beyond your grasp. . .

Easy there big fella, turn the other cheek. In the face of overwhelming evidence that disproves much of your basic beliefs, you still cling to your faith so that you can validate your existence as something other than what it is. You use an archaic text to justify how you treat others around you and for permission to judge and discriminate against other races. What are you so afraid of? Several times above I provided links that supported my argument, yet both you and ranger still say where is the proof. It's right in front of your damn face, just open your eyes.

If you really want answers, read the following link. I know you won't but there it is, pretty much the entire evolutionary history. There are some gaps, but if you go all the way down there are 191 references for you to read. You can't argue with the fossils, they are there, and real, you can touch them and smell them. Where is the proof of your beliefs? Other than your book what can you provide to prove your claims? I've asked several times and have not gotten an answer other than rangers pathetic attempts at deflections and misdirection, which is all he really has.

Since you seem to want to be part of the discussion, how about you answer the questions I asked ranger since he is not capable.

Well stated.