I found this article interesting. I just cut and pasted the last little bit, as I found it to be the most important.

"Bottom line: You can’t “unskew” an election, and those that want to try will get nowhere politically or practically. As RedState’s Erick Erickson wrote:


Barack Obama won. He won by turning out the most people in a well run campaign. In other words, he won fair and square.[...]

Too many people have spent the past four years obsessed with birth certificates. Now they are obsessed with voter fraud conspiracies, talk of secession, and supposed election changing news stories if only we had known.

There is nothing to know. Barack Obama defeated Mitt Romney last week by running a superior campaign and turning out his supporters more aggressively than Romney did. The vast majority of state-level polling companies were right, and the vast majority of national polling companies were wrong (with the exception of the poll run by TIPP – ironically, a company hired by a conservative news source, IBD).

The election is over. The fight for America, however, may be just beginning"




Basically, the right (conservatives) have lost, and I think they have lost for good. The addiction to free stuff is just to strong to overcome, and to many are hooked on the crack pipe of redistribution. The multicultural education, the media bias, the MTV's Rock the Vote, has taken hold. Look for Hillary (or some one just as evil) to win next time around, and watch the numbers of republicans in the senate and house start to dwindle. This Republic was an interesting experiment in individual liberty and responsibility. The communists set out with a game plane on taking us down. They knew they had to get God out of the Schools, they knew that had to promote homosexuality as being normal, they knew they had to get a hold of the media.... It worked. http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm



“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin


"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an Anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
- Ronald Reagan

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson


“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.” — James Madison in a letter to James Robertson


“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety.” — Benjamin Franklin

“The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.” — Benjamin Franklin

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.” — John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill

Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.
Thomas Sowell


I am convinced that the path to a new, better and possible world is not capitalism, the path is socialism.
Hugo Chavez

The New Deal is plainly an attempt to achieve a working socialism and avert a social collapse in America; it is extraordinarily parallel to the successive 'policies' and 'Plans' of the Russian experiment. Americans shirk the word 'socialism', but what else can one call it?
H. G. Wells

If Socialism can only be realized when the intellectual development of all the people permits it, then we shall not see Socialism for at least five hundred years.
Vladimir Lenin

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?
Fidel Castro

The reason this country continues its drift toward socialism and big nanny government is because too many people vote in the expectation of getting something for nothing, not because they have a concern for what is good for the country.
Lyn Nofziger

The natural order of things, is that one day the takers, outnumber the providers, and they vote in the full blown socialism.

here is what the takers fail to realize. Once the elite Marxists get full power, they still need the providers, as someone has to pay the taxes. Those in power do not need the lazy who stand out with open stretched hands. This is when the powers to be, begin to kill of the takers. Stalin killed about 12 million of them. Mao killed off 60 million of the peasant farmers that voted him into power, and North Korea did the same.

The welfare crowd are living high on the hog, watching Oprah, Jerry, and getting jiggy with it and spending that welfare money and food stamps. When they vote in the full blow socialist gov, the welfare check will stop coming, and the military will move in and kill them like vermin.

Where the heck is Idacraw?

This is getting boring. I am going to have to aquire a split personality, and start debating myself.

Hard to argue facts.....

Ranger, do you really that that is what is coming? It's hard to believe that our Gov't would do such a thing.

Cmiller....do you TRUST the government? I don't, because they have a proven track record of doing untrustworthy things.

I do not think the question to ask is "do you trust the government?" As much as we should be asking "do you trust socialist/Marxist/communists?" That is the question.


Cut it any way yout want, and libs can play all the word games they want, but redistribution of wealth is socialism. Always has been, always will be.

America just elected a socialist for a second term. He declared his run for the senate seat in the house of a known terrorist, who blew up bombs in our subways, called for a communist revolution that would murder millions of American capitalist. The current president was mentored at the feet of communists. He appointed a self proclamed communist as his green jobs czar. He told us in the debate that he wants knew gun bans in America, and he wrote a book called Dreams FROM my Father. His father claimed it was ok to tax a man 100% of his income, and then redistribute that money.

It does not matter what I think. It does not matter what you think. The truth is what matters. History is what matters.

a zombie is nothing more than a politically correct way of saying welfare recepient.


Idacraw - work hard and do not skimp. Some one out thiere needs your tax dollars. They spent thier money on nikes, gold chains, and rap CDs, and are getting hungry and need food stamps.

HOPE AND CHANGE BABY!!!

On redistribution of wealth. Notice how the libs are quick to tell you that Romney does not deserve all that money. It is not fair for him to have it, same for Bush, Chenney, the Kock brothers, Wallstreet investors....


When is the last time a lib sniveled about Pelosi and her 35 million, her money in off-shore Asian accounts? If she is so into redistribution, why does she not give it to her state to give to the poor folks on welfare?

when is the last time a lib told you that Oprah does not deserve all that money, and she needs to redistribute it to someone else?

When is the last time libs snivled about the money the Kennedys have, and how they live like European aristocracy?

How about Mike Jordan's money?

How about Pee Didy, Kanya West? Kim Kardashian? George Clooney, John Stewart, Sean Penn?

It is always the double talk. Folks think they want the socialism, but aint none of them looking to defect to North Korea, China, Cuba....

Here is what have to remember with socialism. Everyone is equal, it is just some are more equal than others.

Those in charge are generally the egg head, academia, elitist type. They find you to be too stupid to know how to raise your own children, feed yourself, get your own healthcare and so on. Once they get full power, it is only natural that they (the smart ones) get to play by special rules that do not apply to the common citizen. If the dems get full power, do you think the Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, Pelosi are going to use the same healthcare program that you get?

Go check out how the top dogs in Korea live, and then see how the common citizen is starving to death. See how the elite in China, Cuba, so on live.

What you will not find in any of these socialist nations, is the rags to riches story that we have in the U.S. They are stuck in an almost caste system, and there is no upward mobility. There is no gun to protect yourself, and there is no religion, Bible to read. Everything is controlled by the government. Those in power though live like kings. We have the American dream, but you do not hear about the North Korean dream. Just remember, it is the common man that elects these socialist, and give up their own liberty and freedom, for the promise of some free stuff from the government.

Some of your points are valid and I share them, I too am not happy with the direction of our nation. Despite what you insist, I do not care for Obama or his administration and I am not happy he was re-elected, but the other choice was equally bad IMO. Both parties have grown to be fundamentally 2 sides of the same coin, to borrow from wpevey. What has changed under either administration that has improved your day to day life? Cost of living continues to increase regardless of who is in power. My property tax goes up every year while the value of my house decreases, groceries keep getting more expensive, gas prices continue to climb, cost of tuition increases every year, all the while base income remains the same. It was the same under Bush, sure a few minor policies change (homosexual rights, gun rights, abortion, prayer in school, immigration, etc) just enough to keep voters of both parties focused on them so that they don't see that at heart both the Democrats and Republicans are choking the life from our country. Regardless of the affiliation of our president, the GOVERNMENT will continue down the same path we are on, there is no incentive for large scale change for those in power.


So ranger, as passionate as you are I ask you what are you going to do about it? Sure your posts give most of the members here hardons, but what is your plan for the real world, how are you going to make a difference?

Just remember one thing. Invest in precious metals.

Buy lead.

Idacraw "So ranger, as passionate as you are I ask you what are you going to do about it? Sure your posts give most of the members here hardons, but what is your plan for the real world, how are you going to make a difference?"

I would have written back sooner, but I had an eight point run across the back hayfield, and decided to launch some lead at it. With a 30 06, I held a couple inches high (I estimated him at 320 yards), and dropped it in the tracks. Like the Pilgrims and Indians, we might be eating a little deer meat this Thanksgiving.

For your answer. For one, I will not buckle to the rules of political correctness. Most officer in our Army have lost thier spine. They talk a good story, but they live in fear of being called sexist, racist, homophobe, or islamaphobe. I will speak the truth, even if I lose my job. I will speak the truth, even if I lose my life.

I will continue to teach my girls via the Bible, and keep them in Christian school, church, and away from the filth of the public schools. I will continue in Church.

I also continue to keep myself fit, and keep up with submission grappling, keep training and competing in long range tactical matches, action shooting, and service rifle and service pistol competitions.

I continue to grow a very large garden, and produce my own food.

I continue to write online, on various outlets, trying to educate others across the nation.

I also know how it all ends. I read the last chapter, and I know what is coming. At some point, the rapture will take place, and Christians will be taken out of this old world. The Anti Christ will be in power for seven years, and then the 1000 year kingdom when Christ sits on the throne.
Obama is not the one, but he points to the one. He is to the anti Christ as to what John the Baptist was to Jesus.

Keep your eyes on Israel. Watch in the near future for the mosque built on the temple mound to come down.

Everything in Revelations is lining up, along with much other prophecy.

2 Timothy Chapter 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

Not exactly a wall hanger, but I was pretty stoked when I dropped him first shot at 320 yards from a knee.

I'd hang it on the wall...especially after pulling off a shot from that distance. Congrats on the kill man

CJB- The coolest part about it, was my wife and two daughters were standing ten feet behind me, watching me through the window. They were pretty impressed when I pulled the trigger how it dropped in its tracks. I was a little off on my wind hold, but that caused the round to hit the neck. I am used to dialing in, not holding for wind, but I was not using a tactical rifle. It is just an old Winchest model 70 with a low end Leupold scope.

At around 380 yards behind this buck was I believe to be a ten point that I missed with my bow earlier this year. I bounce an arrow off his back.

I wanted a shot at him, but every time I would set up, he would run and then stop again. I estimated a one foot elevation hold on him. He is about a 130-140 class buck. I will go after him in the AM.

Cmiller,

This is what i get for reading this on my phone at a red light.. I misread what you wrote. You did say national sales tax, I read that as income tax.

I hate the idea of any income tax, but I think our country is to far in the shitter to do away with income tax completely. I think a flat tax on everyone at a reduced rate compared to what we currently have is a start. The current progressive tax rates penalize people for working harder and making more. Example... When I was sentenced (married), my wife wanted to go to grad school. I picked up a weekend job and worked 7 days a week for 4 years with only an occasional day off. Meaning I worked about 355 days a year. The extra amount i earned, bumped us into the next tax bracket. I got dinged for working harder.

The ideal system if we have to have an income tax system, would be a regressive tax scale. But that will never happen. So on to what could work. I agree with you, a national sales tax. As you said everyone would pay depending on what you spent. But I think that if we could ever get a national sales tax, that the tax rate must be set in stone as an amendment to our Constitution. This way the crooked bastards in D.C. can't raise it and waste more and raise it again and again. I fear that if we get a national sales tax instituted, then they will keep raising and spending as they do now.

I understand that a lot of people have trouble supporting themselves under our current system. It really is economic slavery. And the government is the slave driver. I don't have an answer to the question about EIC. Maybe if Social Security was abolished before it completely fails, then that 7.5% could be the Fed income tax. I wish I could get any of the money that I put into it, but I know that's a pipe dream. Anytime the Fed government tries to run a program, they screw it up, so they grow it and they screw it up more. The one thing the government has become very accomplished at is screwing up. We need change for sure. We need to be able to be rewarded for hard work.

As big as the IRS and related fields have gotten, I don't see that ever going away, which it could/would if income tax was abolished. So in the meantime a reduced flat tax could be a place to start as the progressive tax is phased out. Government must be accountable and must work within a budget.

Ranger, damn good shot, nice deer. And thank you for your service.

danimalw - Good coments. I got off track. Deer on the brain will do that to me.

danimalw, very good points.

However, I still fail to see how can you tax someone that isn't paying taxes now. Kinda like getting blood from a turnip. Never gonna happen. It will be a tough change, but something needs to be done and as you said, it has to be written in stone.

I am 39, and have been working since I was 15. Never once got an unemployment check. Filed once but had a job before I could get a check. Paid into the system and I'm 99% sure I will never ever see a penny of what I've put in.

We are heading down a rough muddy road with our gov't of today. I'm not sure how much longer the working man can sustain the status quo and continue to support something that doesn't support them. I for one am very upset with the representation the taxpayer gets. It's disheartening that there is more representation for nontaxpayers than the taxpayers.

If they work for cash, they do not pay taxes. Most illegals work for cash and don't pay taxes. IF they did pay via Federal sales tax, there wouldn't be much of an incentive to work for cash.

Drug dealers wonk on cash only. Do they pay taxes? Nope. But when they spend money on a new car, all the bling they wear, new guns, etc, they will also be paying the federal sales tax. There is no way around paying the tax then.

Those that work and are below peverty level pay the tax. BUT! when it comes to tax time, most get back more in EIC checks than they paid in. I've seen it in my own family. When work 6-8 months, just to get by, pay only 3-4k in that time and come tax return time, they get a check of 5k or better. This goes on all over.

everything in the sociolist goals of 1963 is coming true...

sad to say but us conservatives are now the minority