You are wrong, the job of a nurse is much harder than the job of a paleoicthyologist, hands down. And we will get nowhere trying to argue who has had a harder life, we know nothing about each other, other than our posts here which point a negative light in each other's minds.

Please forgive my lack of references, my computer crashed and I am using my phone at the moment so I can't provide links all that easily. The statistics I'm talking about for state education can be found on the department of education website. They have comprehensive statistics on every aspect of the education system, and they provide graphs that show average test scores by state and county.

And I agreed with you about the complexity of the continued poor education output in our country. In fact in one of the other threads in here I made almost the same argument you just made about education failure. I was simply pointing out that ranger thinks it is because evolution being taught in school and the removal of prayer caused the decline, and if that was the case then education scores should be higher in areas of greater spirituality. The logic there being that there would be more private schools in those areas run by religious organizations with more control over the curriculum, but that is not the case so you can't blame teaching evolution for declining grades. My school did not teach evolution, or any type of creation for that matter, the life science classes were a joke on all fronts. My success is due to my desire to learn as much as possible, I am a curious person by nature and have always pursued learning new things. A lot of people aren't like that, they are happy with what they know and couldn't care less about learning anything new, in fact they resist information that goes against what they learned in the past.

Idacraw comment "Typical fundie, always blame the minorities for all your problems. That doesn't sound racist at all. "


you asked the question on why public schools in the south score lower than other schools in the nations.

I gave you the real deal, no kidding answer, and you cannot deny it. Has nothing to do with blame, it has everything to do with facts.

Prior to the removal of prayer, those schools scored lower in the standardized tests then. It is more about socioeconomics than anything else.

We are still waiting on your answer though, as you have yet to provied one.

How is it that you claim the complete removal of Christianity and preventing the teaching of creation will increase our math and science, but in reality, when public schools dropped prayer and instructed evolution, we as a nation started on a downhill slide to lower scores in both math and science.

I also notice you jumped right back on your anti Americanism again, claiming other nations have better health care. Guess what bud? We have the highest quality in the world. Other nations come here for health care, not the other way around.

Idacraw - Got another question for you

If you do a state by state comparison on ACT and SAT tests, you will find a commonality. On these scores, the highest average on tests is from those that attend home school, then private school, and the public school is lowest.

The majority of home schoolers are home schooling because they desire a Christian Curriculum. A high majority of the private schools are also using Christian curriculums such as Abeka, Bob Jones, Sunlight.....

Once again, you make the claim that if would could just be like the communists, get rid of that first amendment, and take away religious freedom, stop any instruction in Bible, prayers, creation, then we would all be so much smarter and have higher math and science scores.

In reality, we see the exact opposite happening. Once again, the kids learning creation, Bible, and praying are having the highest science and math scores.

Just out of curiosity, if Idacraw was king for a day, what would you do about the homeschooling and Christian Private Schools across our country that are producing the highest ACT and SAT scores, but refuse to teach your evolution?

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/jun/1 ... -but-have/

Here is something else I find interesting. On average, your private school teacher makes way less money than public school teachers. When I was teaching at West Point (United States Military Academy) , my girls switched from home school, to a Christian private school (Leptondale Christian Academy). In NY, public school teachers had to have a graduate degree just to teach elementary education. Leptondale Christian did not require teacher to even have a college degree. Leptondal Christian, on standardized state testing scored as one of the highest schools in the state of NY. Once again, the school doing the praying, reading the Bible, and teaching creation is scoring at the top, has way less discipline problems, and is much more similar in atmosphere to our public schools in the 50s (when we were at the top of the world in math and science).

Idacraw

Are you still talking? I was just suggesting a retirement location with a government that shares your ideals, a simple thank you would have been fine. But no, everything has to have a deeper agenda and always an argument to make.

Idacraw, just doing you a favor in recommending you a country for retirement that shares your ideals. China has a government that fully controls education, wages, medical, religious teachings are kept under tight scrutiny, and families are also told how many children the may have by mandated abortions. Sounds like China is right up your alley. What is really sad though is your going to one day bow before Jesus Christ and confess that he is Lord, and it will be to late. I do pray that won't be the case and you come to know Jesus as your Savior and not your Judge.

-Natedog - Awesome post, no truer worlds were ever spoke

- Idacraw - your post "everything has to have a deeper agenda and always an argument to make."

You called me out by name in the title of your post, suggesting I move to another nation. The arguments that were made, you lost on every point. Once again, you came back with statements showing your disdain for America, you came back again with statements showing your desire for Marxism, and praising nations with socialist governments.

You called me racist, but failed to ever produce one post made by me that has anything racist in it. You in turn get miffed when I provide facts and history concerning education in America, or facts concerning race.

You are trying to sell folks on MMT the false idea that getting rid of our first amendment rights of worship and freedom of speech would improve our education in America, but refuse to deal with reality in that when this nation removed prayer, Bible, and creation from public schools we dropped in math and science. You also can not explain why our private schools that teach creation out score public schools in math and SCIENCE.

At every turn, you lost the debate, so you try to jump in at the end with sarcasms.