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New to the forums here, not new to forums in general. I'd like to share my experiences with my SPS Thai Mud Motor Kit.

I bought mine back in April, and originally put a 6hp Briggs & Stratton Intek on it, had it all on a 1236 Tracker Topper. It worked ok, I could get about 8mph at best with me and another in the boat.
She wouldn't really get on plane, only just short of it. I could go pretty much anywhere, so as long the prop could be fully submerged, Northeast Texas doesn't really have clean smooth mud flats, just swampy marsh estuaries connected to lakes. They are littered with logs, stumps, rocks, and hard packed mud and clay.

So I've never been able to test it in a proper mud flat, but I have no doubt it would push right through.
I really put the kit to the test with it on that boat, dang near tore up the boat hitting stumps and a few times nearly getting dumped out of the boat.

Anyway the with the kit I have hit all kinds of things, bent several (Aluminum) props, never broke one.
I haven't had any problems with the kit related to design, yes it has a plastic end bearing and wood mid bearings but let me explain them.

The plastic bearing is made from Delrin, a plastic material patented to DuPont (not sure if they are the manufacturers of this particular bearing or if they are the original inventors). But this material is very similar to UHMW, a plastic I have had a lot of experience with in a oil field hydraulic equipment repair, fab, and service company is worked for. It was used for resting heavy things on, sliding through and on, striking, rotating, and more. It is a tough a** material, put grease on it and it will last a long time, some applications we could not put grease on it, it is also self lubricating for low impact, low heat uses. To my knowledge Delrin is not self lubricating, that is the only thing I think that sets these two plastics apart. This Derlin flange does allow some grease to penetrate it to displace water, but the rest of it is water lubricated, is has grooves cast in for that. There is also a bronze end bearing option that is inexpensive, I am thinking of getting one when the plastic one wears out.

The wood bearings are made of Takien wood, I did not know of this wood till recent, Mr Dobbs (owner of Swamp Runner Mud Motors and authorized SPS N.America dealer) told me this "The internal sleeve bushings in the shaft are made of a hardwood similar to mahogany the Thais call takien. This wood is ideal for marine shafts because it will not swell in a wet environment. The only purpose of the bushings is to keep the shaft aligned so that it does not whip inside the shaft housing and cause vibration. These bushings will last for years, and can easily be replaced when they eventually wear out. I've ran longtails in Thailand with the bushings completely gone."

I recently completely disassembled the kit to inspect it, the wood bearings were soaked with grease and were not worn at all after about 15 hours of service. So put your reservations aside about them, they can hang.

I had an issue with the tail pushing out of the water and cavitating, Mr Dobbs recommended I add a tiny "whale tail" to the skeg, I did so and it worked very well. I wasn't getting good speed so I unloaded extra weight out of the boat and that's how I got 8mph. At the time I thought it wasn't enough power, so I bought a new 10hp Tecumseh L-head that would fit the kit (3/4 shaft and 3-5/8" bolt circle), it got 14mph with me and another in the boat and 16mph with just me.
I liked it a lot better, as not only did I get to places faster but it was a lot less monotonous to travel 2-6 miles to my fishing spots. But the vibration was getting to me and starting to cause a condition I forgot the name to but can be caused by vibration to the hand, like you can get from using large impact guns too much.

I then was beginning to rethink what I really wanted out of a boat setup. I will spare you a longer story and tell you I wasn't satisfied with the Jon boat, sold it and got a Pelican Bass Raider 10E, now I can go into the stumpy areas and not worry about denting, scratching, and or puncturing the hull. But when I got it I was thinking the mud motor was too heavy, and it was with the 10hp on it, so I got the 6hp put back on. But I had a problem at first, one of the Briggs' mount holes were stripped out, I don't like using helicoil unless I have to. So I drilled all of them out and tapped them out to 3/8 NF, then drilled the kit's hole out to fit and I have to say I am a lot more satisfied with that than the original 5/16, seems a better fit for the weight hanging off of the back of the engine like it is.

So I got it out and tested it out on the water, first of all the champion spark plug broke, so until the E3 replacement got here I used and old Champion from a 2 stroke outboard, one problem though, not enough depth for the electrode, it ran ok, but would eventually sputter and hunt and die and I would let it cool a bit and restart it. I was only able to get 10mph. It ran similar to that with the OEM plug in it when I had it on the Jon boat.

Oh and BTW I had the OEM throttle setup on it on the Jon, and it was never set right, so I could have been getting about 13mph with it.

With the OEM plug, full choke- 2-3 pulls- 2-3 fires of plug, then half choke- 2 pulls fire up if I could unchoke it fast enough, if not it would die and I would have to start over.

E3 spark plug, full choke if block is cold- 1 pull, 2-3 fires of plug, then half choke- fires up and unchoke, runs awesome!
If warm one pull, no choke runs awesome!

She sounds better and smoother, and I think it will run awesome on the water, and with a new throttle setup directly linked to the governor arm. If the tach I had on it (before it went nutty and broke) read right I can rev the Briggs to 4600rpm!
That model of Briggs Intek is a commercial model, maybe not as "commercial" as a Vanguard but I think it may have heavier valve springs in it, that's the only thing I can think of that would allow it to rev that high. With the 10hp it took 4100rpm to achieve 16mph.

So with the thought the Bass Raider is a pontoon or catamaran style hull, it takes less effort to push, especially on plane.
So I think I can get up to 16mph and do it safely, that boat is more stable then the 1236 jon I used to have, that jon was almost as tipsy as a canoe. The Bass Raider you can stand on the side and the rub rail is still above the water line! I even rocked it almost as hard as I could while underway at 10mph and I still felt safe.
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Custom Fuel tank mount to move it's weight to help balance the motor more.
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Homemade cavitation plate, the prop design prevents surface operation, at least I think it is, not sure what enables some motors to run on the surface, some with cav plates, some without.
Anyway this will help it a bit to decrease strength needed to hold it out of the water at lower speeds and hopefully achieve a faster top speed.


So with all of that said I would like to to say, if you are thinking of buying one of these kits, listen to this.
Do not buy a SPS kit from any other dealer then Swamp Runner Mud Motors or California Mud Motors, both authorized SPS Thailand Mud Motor dealers.

Original maker and designer of SPS kits http://www.longtailboatsps.com/
Swamp Runner Mud Motors http://mudmotorkit.com/
California Mud Motors http://www.calmudmotor.com/

Any other sellers selling SPS or the copies called KKK are inferior, I have done the research. I just don't want someone to buy a crappy copy and them think all Thai longtails are crap, which most of them probably are! They don't have the features of the original SPS.

>>>>>I am in no way affiliated with these companies in any way, I am not pushing a product, just merely a satisfied customer and wish that you know the truth and if you buy one that you are not steered wrong buy false advertising into buying an inferior kit.<<<<<<


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I had a fourth pics but I wouldn't let me post it on the first post.
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I added some round rod to extend the skeg, since I changed it like I did it will have the tendency to slide over more than impact and skip.


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I wanted ask, what makes a mud motor able to ride on the surface?
I did build a surface drive once but it was to heavy and had flaws that doomed it, but I had a b*ckwater style surface drive prop on it, no cav plate, it would not go faster than 2 mph with it riding on the surface.

What makes them capable of this? Prop design, cav plate, horsepower?
But then Ive seen surface drives with and without cav plates and
seen lower horsepower motors without cav plates do it. So I really can't figure it out.

I thought it was prop design until I couldn't get mine to do it. Of course I've seen fellas trim their motors up after getting some speed up.

Someday I would like to build a surface drive again and do it right, with mostly Aluminum and not all Steel. Ive often thought of using a short shaft 25hp merc outboard and cutting the original skeg off and fitting a short tail to it and fitting a steel skeg to protect the tail and LU.

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pretty cool they came out with a kit that makes a longtail almost as good as the 5hp go devil I had @ 25 years ago.


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Good reveiw sounds like it works good for people on a tight budget.


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I am planning on adding to the mount, to allow the whole rig to be better balanced, using some 3/8 flatbar to extend the existing vertical pivot, it has 3 or 4 holes on either side to adjust it, I want to drill identically spaced holes on the flatbars, bolt each on with 2 bolts, and put in spacers to take width at the pivot bolts.

Sure I found I had to add a few things to make it to where I really like it, but it still was cheaper than any American mud motor, extras maybe cost me a few dollars in welding wire and gas and the materials were salvaged and free.


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I found this quote by AJCsurf, from here viewtopic.php?f=6&t=36490&p=435615&hilit=SPS+mud+motor+kit#p435615

"I'll chime in.. I've had mine for almost a year. I've left it outside, ran it in salt water etc.. The damn thing keeps on chuggin. Its fine in mud. It pushed my 1232 through mud, my final attack (with the wheels on it) and I have yet to break a prop. Its all hard pan brackish sloughs and soupy mud for me, pickle weed and eel grass too. When/If those shaft bushings wear out, I can get new ones for pennies on the dollar or just buy a whole new shaft set up for $100. Also, when/if the prop breaks, I got another $10 prop in the boat that I can swap out with a pair of channel locks and a crescent wrench. I'll take that all day er' day."

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I would like to add, when I find that the wood bearings are worn, I will have custom made UHMW ones machined, and as for the Derlin (plastic) flange, I will be replacing it with SPS's bronze bearing option.

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I had a Thai kit on a 13 hp Honda. I couldn't chime in because I was in the process of selling it. I had it on a 1542 riveted tracker. This mud motor is a great setup if you do not intend to use it in any mud or vegetation :shock: . I went threw 3 aluminum props in 20 minutes of run time. Frickin pop can props. I rigged the shaft to accept a stainless prop with a lot of help from Arlen at backh2o. The shaft is so long on this motor that when you try to slam the prop down to dig in the shaft and housing bend like my limp johnson :cry: Don't know what kind of terrain you are hunting in but this piece of Asian junk is not worth the headaches. Just sold it to a guy to clear sediment from a boat launch. I think it will be perfect for that.

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Retarded off brand thai junk longtail fight!!!!!


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Come on down and go where I go to hunt....as soon as that alum prop hits a pipeline or piece of concrete its done. And what would sandy mud do to an alum prop? I can wear out a stainless one in a couple hours. But what ever floats your boat..... I would not waste my time with one.

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Come to the setx mud run....you will see a lot of people wearing out props in a day ...lol...if you run the flats alot you will burn a prop quick. Mine last maybe 50 hours running around salt bayou. im about to buy a new prop and get the one I have now worked to a 9" for the refuge. Anyways, that design would not work here for sure. Unless you stay in the deeper water.

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But yea anyway, people don't be an asshole about this kit.
Sure it may seem like a POS because it's from Asia, not all things from there are shit, as I recall people used to say the same thing about Japans exports. I have an old tap and die set from Japan made it the 50's, it's not the best, but it's better than the chinese shit tap and die set I saw in the store a few months ago.

Sure there are many knockoffs from Asia, but not all of it is shit, maybe most of it, but the people that run SPS Thailand seem like serious businessmen, and serious businessman don't sell shit. If you sell knockoffs and shit your not serious, your an idiot.

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Ugl all I did was buy a Thai mud motor kit and had a very bad experience with it. There is no need to insult me. I have never hit cement with the prop only logs,mud and weeds and it was enough to shatter those props. I don't understand why we cannot have an adult discussion or debate on this motor kit without the insults...........and the only reason you have never had a limp Johnson is because you have a vagina. :lol: looks like someone is trying to push selling these zipperhead pieces of crap. User name UGL. U-unfortunately. G-Got. L-Labia. Very suspect username

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I would love to see video of the terrain you are working with. I was in roughly 8" of water and the aluminum props were just getting destroyed. Could be the hp difference. I am not that familiar with lts and the breaking point of them. Please do not try to convince anybody to buy these things without showing one piece of evidence that they can even come close to competing with American made mud motors. I f***Ed up. I was a jew and tried to cheap out on a mud motor. It bit me in the ass even though people on this site tried to tell me the reality of the situation. It sounds like you have a Thai dik up you arse and love it. It is really pissing me off that you were a C u next tuesday all because I gave an opinion on a motor. I am sorry I don't hunt in pussy terrain hunting pussy coots.. Dousch. And if you travel in thousands of feet of water how are you running threw mud?

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That was the most unimpressive videos I've ever seen. You my friend need an outboard. The reason I say that is because for 1 you said your gunna get a prop guard, how the hell is it gunna dig with a prop guard? And for 2. the 2 videos you just posted I'm 100% positive I could take my 21 foot bay boat through....... GTFO of here with this bull shit


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4-8 inches is more than enough.... Hell I can get on plane in 8" with the right bottom. We need better videos of your motor. The 2 you just posted did no justice to the shit you been talkin lol


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From what I saw in the video it doesn't look like your runnin anything an outboard couldn't handle. If you're happy with what you got though more power to ya


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They make tunnel boats... Do I need to explain what that is? You ever in the setx area I will gladly take you for a ride. You think it's that bad lets run it. Not in clear water like the outboard video.


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Looks like there is plenty of depth....didnt see the prop pop up once....

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