Wondering if anyone can give some testimonial on the stump-jumper vs PPF mud motors. Looking for a light weight affordable long tail for a 4 rivers layout boat. Both motors look similar in design, engines, etc. I have spoken to both "shops" about the engines, performance, warranty, manufacture of each and would like some 1st hand testimonial to support a purchasing decision. Thanks.

I have been down this path already and the result is about 50% each way from the guys on here and other sites. Stump Jumper has been around longer so I knew the #'s for them would skew the results some their way.

In all honesty, either one will do a great job. I am planning on the PPF Woodudck for my Momarsh DP Fatboy in the near future.

Curl

The PPF motors are made about 45 minutes from my place. I have not seen their motors in person, but it is likely what I'd look at if I was looking for a lightweight longtail. I have a buddy who says those guys are stand up dudes.

Sorry I don't have any first hand help for you.

How does the Subaru motor compare to the predator or honda?

I have a stumpjumper. It's great. Strong. Pushes 3 of and the dog no problem in a 11ft jon. Your not breaking any speed records but your not sweating your balls off either having to paddle a canoe. The throttle on them is dog shit and they need to come up with something besides the twist. Another thing if I had to do it again would be to just get the frame and get my own motor for it. The subaru is good and it runs, but for some reason I feel like it only likes to run once it's red hot. I woulda just got a honda. I got mine before the ppf came out. I just knew that the little motors from mud buddy and go devil were heavy pieces of shit. And way to much money.

Rob

i dont know about the PPF but the stumpjumper blows. we have constant problems keeping it tight on transom. has a weak clamp bad design all together. the motorcycle throttle grip sucks. it loosened up all the time.throttle cable pulled out all the time. we wouldnt leave the ramp without tools.

PPF builds a good little motor. Haven't seen a stumpjumper in action. As for the godevil challenge, they may have once been the best longtail, however, the true matter of fact is... they no longer are.

2nd that challenge , I've had 4 go devil long tails from a 9 thru the 25 I have now . Has never let me down . Towed buddies rigs back a couple different times from their stuff breaking.

H Finn

they build em simple and strong. they might be a little heavy but u seldom have them breakdown. the stump jumper was notorious for catostrohic meltdowns miles away from the ramp. it was always something. and there are craigslist adds for 9hp go-devils all day so i dont see why you would buy an off brand mm.

On the little motors the straight coupler instead of the u-joint is the way to go. It seems like to me that you lose to much power through a u joint. I do agree with you though, definitely need to keep tools on the boat with the SJ. I have to fix or tighten something all the time too. I put a bps throttle on mine and haven't had a problem since. I do have to tighten the set screws a lot on the coupler though. I don't mind it though because paddling sucks.

The go devils nd mud buddy's are twice the weight of the stump jumper too.

There's good reasoning for it being twice the weight. That's what it takes to build a frame that won't break when your grinding on stumps

^x2. And plus on that u-joint you don't like, I can't remember ever having to tighten a set screw. Explain to me how the u-joint robs power. It's not at a very steep angle.

Oh and by the way, I want in on the challenge too. Wait until the spring when the basin is flooded and we'll go give ourselves a work out. I know which three mentioned so far will make it back. I can't speak for the other tinker toys. You guys are a trip.

Two noobs just getting their peckers wet wanna come on here and talk shit. Just realized y'all aren't from around here, but if y'all wanna make the trip I'm ready. Just remember where and why all these motors were developed. I think these guys know wtf they are doing.

As far as the u-joint.... If it was that simple to build a motor that is as durable and strong then why hasn't warren built it? He don't build junk that's why. The angle that u joint makes it much easier on the motor. It keeps it from not burning up do to oil being sloshed around as much. The u joint also absorbs some of the shock on a prop strike which helps extend the life of the motor.

Actually I have 27 horse longtail too. I was just saying that between the two. The smaller 7 hp stump jumper puts the power to the prob a bit better then the 27. The power to weight is way better. I'm not going to Louisiana any time soon so we'll just have to keep talking shit on the Internet mother fuckers

So, you're telling me 7 horse whips your 27s ass?

I would say let's whip em out but mine is only 2". I am more interested in that dude in an 11 footer with 3 dudes and a dog. You got a 10 foot beam on that boat?

Ha. He says short n fat like a coke can neg. Just like his women likes em.

It's a mb on a gt rogue. Never said the little motor whips the 27s ass. It just has a better power to weight ratio noob

So you own a mud buddy and think its a piece of shit. At least we agree on something.

i dislike the stumpjumper so much we decided not to sell it because we felt bad for anyone who would buy it. we kept it to hunt ponds and such were we cant back a trailer in

You hillbillies get your man panties in a bunch real fast on here. Ha ha. I'm not saying that go devil makes a bad motor, hell they have been doing it a long time. I almost bought one, and I'm sure I'd be happy if I had. I shopped around though and found what seems to be a burlier and a bit better thoughtout setup. After all, it really comes down to the frame, prop, cav plate, u-joint. It is ridiculous to think that the innovations and better ideas that exist out there don't one up the old design that go devil still goes with. That said, this post originated with a guy asking for opinions about two small motors. You knuckleheads, as I have seen too often on this site, jump in and spin it off topic while you flex yer muscles in the mirror and turn it into a "my dick is bigger than yours" hijacking. Thankfully, there are some cool and helpful guys on here. You fellas aren't them.

We are Cajuns dumbass. I looked at both motors and can tell you one thing. I couldn't tell on the Stumpjumper, but it looks like both will end up with cracked crankcases in due time. On the PPF, for sure, there is not enough support between the handle and tail section. People had this problem on their Go-Devil at one time. The handle was directly mounted to the engine and even though the engine was bolted to a 1/4" plate covering the engine bottom cases still cracked when grinding in some bad shit. Enjoy your Tinkertoy and save up for a GD.

I don't run either of the motors this dude asked about there guy. However, I'll never run a GD, that would be taking a step in the wrong direction in my opinion. I'm glad you like your motor though, in the end that's what's important. So long as it gets you where you want to go and is dependable. Personally, I'm happy with the motor I run. For you to call it a tinkertoy is laughable, because its from the family of the top longtails on the market.

K

All - thanks for the replies in reference to my original question - appears as though we had a few "side bars" on GD and MB - but appreciate the feedback on SJ and PPF.

I own a ppf great little mud motor the handle is not mounted straight to the frame just FYI so you don't have to worry about cracking the case, go devil has not changed there design in 30 years, updated but not changed, way to heavy and under powered for small boats in this hp range. You can count on the u-joint robbing 30% of your hp so your 9 is now a 6 and weighs twice as much as a ppf or stumpjumper. You can design mud motors for 2 years produce them for 30 and convince two idiots they are the best because you have been making then for 30. The ppf and stumpjumper both use a chain coupler witch absorbs shock and blows not putting the blow straight on the motor and wrecking it. I guess in the small hp ranges backh2o's, stumpjumper, and ppf's straight shaft design is better in all regards. If you buy a ppf I would buy it with the gx200 great motor tons of hops up and reliable.


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My only compliant about the ppf is the paint sucks it wears really fast in sand and mud on the skag. Other then that great motor no issues.


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We shall see