They are letting me help with the build so if that makes me a troll (whatever that is suppose to mean) then so be it....


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Shoulda got a back water frame. I understand going local but I would think durability would trump going local. The S.W.O.M.P. frames are burly and their all around reputation is top notch.

I have a local backwater dealer, checked them out but decided to go custom rather than with that plain DOM tubing look. They have a nice frame I just wanted something different....


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Mayhem has a good reputation here and have been known to drop everything, load a boat, and go to customer in the marsh to address breakdowns. Will back water do that? I doubt it! Every motor is going to have issues at some point I am buying from Mayhem because they have superior customer service.


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Arlen dropped my motor off to me in Cleveland. So yeah if was close I believe he would. Stop knocking BW

Yes I am a troll. My favorite food is broken long tails. I will see you soon.

I glad you really like the Mayhem frame but from a real engineering standpoint the BW frame is superior. You need a little more experience before dogging BW.

I read the entire thread and my comment stands true.

LOL. Ok, guy. Still doesn't change the fact that it looks like a kid built it in shop class. Probably would get a "B" for the project. As for your build, maybe start your own thread and don't hack this one.

I actually never said that kibb, I just said ppf built a nice little motor. Go-devil makes a good motor for sure. If they didn't they wouldn't be around this long. They too have been outdone by the boys at back water however. You got your man panties in a bunch over it too.

Bubble still in tact. Frame still in tact. You didn't burst anything bub.

I promise none of them have the customer service go devil has or the inventory to back up the replacement parts


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Yes. Yes I am.

As far as longtails go.

Haven't ever heard of one breaking let alone multiple welds breaking.

Cold welds?

And that is why there is a warranty. Are you implying that no other manufacturer has had a weld break?

Haven't had one breaking the ones at work. One is 20 and one is ten years old.

Better bearing and drive shaft system. Hardly any oiling needed. Very beefy and clean looking frame. great customer service.